This doesn't mean Cloud is comparable, how strong are the Lucavi? And can you send scans so it will be easierto explain
I do have footage of Cloud in battle with Balthier and Ramza and not having his measly 4-A atomized by them flexing their 2-Cs.
Okay, bad jokes aside. I do see your point, but the issue with that reasoning is that it can be easily stretched to say Ramza doesn't scale either to Balthier (or that it would be an outlier or whatnot) or nobody would scale to anobody unless you have a direct statement or feat, which can also be called into question with enough scrutinity. (And this gives me a bad reminder of the "it's just gameplay mechanics" dark ages where people were insisting that Wall level Tifa losing to Yang was valid because Cloud did all the heavy lifting in FFVII). And tbh, I kind of see it the other way around, fighting together or keeping up with someone is solid enough in itself to prove the character is on a comparable level, if he is definitely weaker or can't keep up, there is some stuff that points that out. For example, Cloud himself upon arrival in the battle to recruit him couldn't fight back, was simply level 1 and spent the whole battle fleeing, which can easily be taken as how messed up he was after his fall into the Lifestream. Or the iconic case of the Nibelheim flashback in VII, to hammer how astronomically more powerful than Cloud Sephiroth was, Cloud was level 1, Sephy was level 50, the first enemy they fight together one-shots Cloud but can't even scratch Sephy, Cloud deals damage in 100s or so, Sephy deals around 3000 and kills it in two hits, and more subtly, Cloud can be controlled, Sephiroth works automatically, there it's hammered that they worked together but were not equals.
I don't follow you on the Lucavi, sorry. You mean which tier they are on their own? Who they scale to? Or the comment I made on "echo" of their power?
@Glass: Cloud vs Link feeds more on the whole FFVII vs OoT rivalry dating back to 98, but just as you say, they have very little similarities. In fact, they are so opposite of each other in personality, lore, background and everything it's kind of hilarious.
@Comicgyal: I am deeply sorry, really... but I'll have to pass. The time I have to work on VS stuff is fully going to the blogs and my other nonsens. It's been stretching for 7 months already. Taking more work would be pretty irresponsible on my part.
I also would like to discuss remake scaling with this in mind, but I’ll message your wall as to not derail this thread.
