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Fairy Tail: Revisiting Neo Eclipse

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UeTa said:
Did nobody see this picture that I posted earlier? Even by "resetting" one timeline, Zeref is actually erasing 3 futures (timelines?) within one timeline because of a timeline split.
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Pretty sure that's the Eclipse Gate, not Neo Eclipse which are two different spells. The Eclipse Gate is quite literally just time travel.
this spell in contrast to Neo Eclipse is simply time travel. The scan you provided here is for The Eclipse Gate not Neo Eclipse.

Neo Eclipse doesn't destroy nor "create" new universes, they travel forward in time to change the future, they aren't creating new timelines from nothing, achieved via time travel unlike Neo Eclipse.


Let's please forget not to fail to provide proper context. These are two different spells entirely.
 
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Elizhaa said:
I didn't see the pic initially. A timeline like a branched timeline seems to be its own space-time continuum. I guess an argument for 2-C could be made with Neo Eclipse.
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That's not done via Neo Eclipse, she used a scan from a different spell to make it seem like that's what Neo Eclipse does. The Eclipse Gate is time travel while Neo Eclipse isn't.
 
I believe UeTa's point was that Neo Eclipse could erase those branched timelines per consequence of 400 years of history being erased.
I know of the Eclipse Gate and Neo Eclipse distinction.
 
Elizhaa said:
I believe UeTa's point was that Neo Eclipse could erase those branched timelines per consequence of 400 years of history being erased.
I know of the Eclipse Gate and Neo Eclipse distinction.
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There are no indication it would be affecting those universe and their space-time. Neo Eclipse is meant to reset a single world, The Eclipse Gate is time travel that creates changes in history. You cannot connect the two to one another.
 
LordGinSama said:
There are no indication it would be affecting those universe and their space-time. Neo Eclipse is meant to reset a single world, The Eclipse Gate is time travel that creates changes in history. You cannot connect the two to one another.
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What the picture shows is that the timeline split happened after x791. Meaning that all these "futures" will get erased (I guess? It looks like it) If 400 years of time from the "main" timeline is erased :
  • It's like cutting down a tree, where the trunk is the main timeline and the branches are the timelines split. If you cut down the tree (or "reset it") to let it grow back. You destroy all it's branches at the same time.
 
UeTa said:
What the picture shows is that the timeline split happened after x791. Meaning that all these "futures" will get erased (I guess? It looks like it) If 400 years of time from the "main" timeline is erased :
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This is contradictory first off, 400 years of the main timelime is what's being reset, and this wouldn't be applicable to any other timelines.
UeTa said:
  • It's like cutting down a tree, where the trunk is the main timeline and the branches are the timelines split. If you cut down the tree (or "reset it") to let it grow back. You destroy all it's branches at the same time.
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False analogy, first of which it doesn't make much coherent sense, secondly being that the separate timelines are just that, separate timelines that aren't connected to the main timeline. Again there's no connections between The Eclipse Gate and Neo Eclipse, Neo Eclipse is never stated to be able to reset what The Eclipse "created" (altered is the better term, the future is just being manipulated, this is like me making Yhwach 2-C via being able to alter and influence a nigh infinite amount of futures on a whim.)
 
LordGinSama said:
This is contradictory first off, 400 years of the main timelime is what's being reset, and this wouldn't be applicable to any other timelines.

False analogy, first of which it doesn't make much coherent sense, secondly being that the separate timelines are just that, separate timelines that aren't connected to the main timeline. Again there's no connections between The Eclipse Gate and Neo Eclipse, Neo Eclipse is never stated to be able to reset what The Eclipse "created" (altered is the better term, the future is just being manipulated, this is like me making Yhwach 2-C via being able to alter and influence a nigh infinite amount of futures on a whim.)
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UeTa said:
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This sums up what I'm thinking pretty well.
 
UeTa has somewhat of a point, but it’s pretty much confirmed that those separate timelines have already been erased in the story with the destruction of the Eclipse Gate, which got rid of both Future Lucy and Future Rogue’s Timelines

But that doesn’t change the fact that Neo Eclipse is still destroying a timeline that contains a universe and therefore that should be 3-A
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
UeTa has somewhat of a point, but it’s pretty much confirmed that those separate timelines have already been erased in the story with the destruction of the Eclipse Gate, which got rid of both Future Lucy and Future Rogue’s Timelines

But that doesn’t change the fact that Neo Eclipse is still destroying a timeline that contains a universe and therefore that should be 3-A
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The method of destruction is still important as it's merely reversing/resetting everything, which is directly what causes the deletion of everything. It's definitely universal range, but not universal in AP.
 
Tarang123 said:
The method of destruction is still important as it's merely reversing/resetting everything, which is directly what causes the deletion of everything. It's definitely universal range, but not universal in AP.
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Tell me can you confirm if Neo Eclipse is ignoring the Durability of the timeline? Is it ever said that he is bypassing it’s durability and only destroying it via hax? Zeno from Dragon Ball literally raises his hand and deletes universes and yet he scales to 2-C, how do we know that isn’t hax, how come he gets that rating when we have no idea if it’s raw power or hax?

You have no proof that Neo Eclipse is purely hax
 
Zeno is completely different, he blew up several timelines with a standard Ki Blast and tanked the destruction, as noted in his profile.


A Ki Blast isn't a form of hax. And also we don't scale Zeno's SS to his 2-C feat either so I don't see the point in this.


Also I think everyone is riding the "crumble away" statement a tad too much, considering it's also been stated to erase the world, meaning erasure. I.E hax. Not sure how you can erase something out of existence yet also causing it to crumble.



Also "you have no proof that Neo Eclipse is purely hax." your side is the one who is arguing for the idea of Neo Eclipse having AP, it's up to you to prove that it has a set AP it's not up to us to prove a negative. Burden of Proof falls on you.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Tell me can you confirm if Neo Eclipse is ignoring the Durability of the timeline? Is it ever said that he is bypassing it’s durability and only destroying it via hax? Zeno from Dragon Ball literally raises his hand and deletes universes and yet he scales to 2-C, how do we know that isn’t hax, how come he gets that rating when we have no idea if it’s raw power or hax?

You have no proof that Neo Eclipse is purely hax
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Zeno blatantly erases everyone with his own power. Neo Eclipse literally reverses time to replicate a similar feat. It shouldn’t count as the same
 
Tarang123 said:
Zeno blatantly erases everyone with his own power. Neo Eclipse literally reverses time to replicate a similar feat. It shouldn’t count as the same
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You're assuming the method being time reversal, even though Zeref said it wasn't a matter of simply going somewhere in time. It's literally destroying 400 years of the current world.
 
i'm not sure about 2-C because the alt timelines being destroyed/erased along with the main one could be just a chain reaction you should probably ask some mods who are knowledgeable about this subject
anyways for the rest, i's up to you guys to decide whether NE destroys or erases the past but both would lead to High 3-A iirc
 
Zencha9 said:
i'm not sure about 2-C because the alt timelines being destroyed/erased along with the main one could be just a chain reaction you should probably ask some mods who are knowledgeable about this subject
anyways for the rest, i's up to you guys to decide whether NE destroys or erases the past but both would lead to High 3-A iirc
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Good idea.
 
Zackra1799 said:
Reversing and resetting are to entirely different things, Reversing implies that Time is being turned back at some speed. Resetting however would be like taking an eraser to something on a white board, and drawing something in its place.
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In this context, it seems to be extremely similar as it's literally described as bringing Zeref back to his era, which will coincidentally destroy the current era. It's not through actual AP.
 
Elizhaa said:
Things like reversing "time" itself would have no AP since time itself is 1-D; though it could be environment destruction, a resetting case that can destroy space-time/timeline (4-D) could be quantified as AP.
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It being Environmental Destruction sounds good. I believe a handful of people (myself included) have agreed on this. The tier would be the next step then.
 
I still don’t see how it can be AP or even environmental destruction especially if hasn’t even shown what it can do other then from what we can just assume
 
KingTempest said:
I mean like, I agree with it, I just like to quantify stuff
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If you wanted you could argue it's destroying 400 years worth of universal 1 second snapshots, and thus it would be 400 years converted into seconds many times above baseline.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
If you wanted you could argue it's destroying 400 years worth of universal 1 second snapshots, and thus it would be 400 years converted into seconds many times above baseline.
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Theoretically you could argue that it's destroying the universe down to the plank second and have some ludicrous number in 3-A
 
Even if we were to accept this revision, this would honestly be High 3A, not just really high into 3A. I think someone already explained this earlier.
 
Tarang123 said:
Even if we were to accept this revision, this would honestly be High 3A, not just really high into 3A. I think someone already explained this earlier.
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What would make it High 3-A? I didn't really get the explanation for it.

Right now, 3-A Environmental Destruction makes the most sense to me.
 
DragonGamerZ913 said:
What would make it High 3-A? I didn't really get the explanation for it.

Right now, 3-A Environmental Destruction makes the most sense to me.
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Some stuff about affecting the timeline, even if only barely somehow counts for High 3A, but I'll check what they said again.
 
On the snapshot point that I made, looking at the timeline map, I don't think it would count for a branched timeline; like the current timeline of the series is still a branched timeline not the original. The tier could still be Low 2-C if the current timeline is gone.
 
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