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Just saying "no" without an argument isn't that reliable.
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Fairy Tail: Revisiting Neo Eclipse
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It's universal destruction though, just saying it's hax without substantiating that isn't reliable.
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...yeah? Hax is not AP, what is ur point? ;+
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Universal destruction due hax, there is not wrong about it.
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Again, just saying it's hax and propping it up as "common knowledge" isn't enough. If the universe is actually being destroyed through a spell, that can be quantified.
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I agree with bern. It's similar in the case to ars-magia.
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This is true, we can just say "3-A Enviromental Destruction with Neo Eclipse"
Point is, it's still a 3-A feat tho
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As much as I hate how that would look, it makes sense.
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This might be a better way to word it tbh
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I mean then shouldn’t the same be said for ars-magia?
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Disagree for the reasons above, Zeref isn't causing the direct destruction of the world (which isn't proven to be a universe unless directly stated.)
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Edens Zero says otherwise.
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Except he is, he literally says the second he walks through the Neo Eclipse door, the present world will crumble, and it’s clear he’s referring to the entirety of the world as time is a universal construct, would make zero sense for him to only be effecting the planet
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Mitch essentially summed up what I was going to say.
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Show me where World means the entire universe when put into this context. Time isn't something limited in range indeed but it's also very different from effecting the physical matter of the universe, and no it isn't clear. It's up to you to prove your own claim which you really haven't done at all in this thread, all it states is that Zeref plans on reversing time 400 years into the past and that the world will crumble.
Do you have context of the World meaning Universe or that the physical destruction of the will take place? All you have are scans of the temporal aspect of the universe being affected. I'd also like and appreciate RAW scans for this CRT.
Also contextually Zeref wouldn't have any reason to restart the entire universe, his goal was to revive Natsu by resetting the world, not the entire universe. This takes place on Earthland, not the entire time space continuum.
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I have already done this, as the fact that it's revolving around time means its effect in general will in fact be on a universal scale. It's because of this that we can say world means universe in this context.
It's honestly as simple as that. We know the scope, and we know it'll be destroyed because of numerous statements of this from a very reliable source.
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This too, it's just Neo Eclipse. Fairy Heart Zeref himself is still going to be High 6-A.
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You have to jump through hoops to justify why he would only reset time of the planet
Also the Chronophage and how he ate the time of just a planet doesn’t apply here, that’s a separate series where it is explicitly said that they eat only the time of the planet
In Fairy Tail, he would clearly referring to the entirety of the universe as time is just that, a universal concept
Also the Chronophage and how he ate the time of just a planet doesn’t apply here, that’s a separate series where it is explicitly said that they eat only the time of the planet
In Fairy Tail, he would clearly referring to the entirety of the universe as time is just that, a universal concept
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Essentially, time is a universal concept unless stated otherwise as that's the default for time. It's not the other way around.
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No, you provided evidence that the temporal plane will be affected, nothing about the physical plane of the entire universe being affected. He plans on resetting the time, and that the world will crumble as a consequence. That isn't the same as Zeref bringing the end of the universe itself, he plans on resetting the time of the world, not to destroy it along with it's time-space.
Zeref isn't omniscient and can be wrong, just like how he has been on several occasions. Everything Zeref says can't be accepted since "well he's smart and knows a lot of Magic..." ignoring the fact that he doesn't mention the fact that he's actively busting the universe itself. The temporal aspect is definitely resetting but that's time manipulation, in the context of the World crumbling there isn't any evidence that it would cause the destruction of the universe in the same sense that his temporal abilities would.
Also are you just gonna ignore my RAW request?
Irrelevant, honestly just seems like you attempting to say "People are bias because this is FT hur dur"
Because of the context given?
Because in the FT verse there's Planets that have their own temporal plane, said separate series is still Canon to Hiro's work and the fact that a planets time can be "eaten" without indirect consequences of the temporal plane of the universe itself is indication of the verse having a ****** time which is different than most other verses.
This isn't true either, Black-Holes have a different time than what they're surrounding. There are several black-holes in the universe that have a temporal aspect that function differently than our own space time, or are you insinuating that we share the same warped space time as that of a black hole? Different parts of our universe function on a different temporal aspect, not everything in the universe shares the same temporal plane.
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Gin has a good argument.
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I called a bunch of staff to come take a look
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I disagree now due to gin's arguments
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He said the world was going to be destroyed numerous times. One of the scans I put in the OP flat-out said "the world will crumble away." The time portion is to explain why it's at the scope I'm saying it is, but it's very clearly going to destroy the world given the scans I've shown of him saying this numerous times.
Why would Zeref be wrong about the plan he was building up to for a long while now? That doesn't even make any sense. This is the plan he created with his extensive knowledge of magic, so there's no reason for him to be wrong about this.
Also, I don't see why it's absolutely necessary to provide RAWs unless there's some very specific translation needed.
I was just talking about something I saw going around that I wanted to address. Don't know if you just wanted a reason to say this or what.
You're still trying to use Edens Zero info in Fairy Tail when they're separate things entirely. Also, where's this evidence of FT planets having their own temporal planes?
I don't see how black holes are relevant when they're a very small aspect of the universe and overall, time is the same throughout the universe. You're using one small, specific example and trying to make a general statement out of that.
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That still doesn’t mean it has to NOT correct
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I don't even know what you just said.
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I like to think that Chronophage(s) doesn't reset planets time, but dissociates them from space-time.
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I hate autocorrect
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Autocorrect this
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Reported for defamation of character :bigsad:Autocorrect this
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Just reposting this as raws were brought up.
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Zeref isn't in control over what he resets. He's relying on the space between time which is the very concept of time correcting itself to do it.
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