Extremely “Minor” Sans CRT

[ShionAH]

1- Resistance to Fear Manipulation as he literally joked about frisk under charas influence which scared flowey a soulless emotionless being to the point of then wildly shaking and running away minutes ago

2- Air Manipulation, created a self-sustaining tornado in his room

3- Invulnerability Negation, His attacks ignore Frisk's INV

4- Basically Sans can infinitely extend his turn, making the opponent unable to attack him given it's still not their turn yet. Given how metafictional Undertale is, and the inability to attack because of the lack of using a FIGHT button being already showcased with Gerson not being able to be attacked in his shop because of the player not fighting there, this can be taken as an actual hax, and Law Manipulation fits this, as Sans is using a rule of RPG games in his advantage.

 

[ForkMorkPork]

I thought the last time you made a CRT for sans air manip it was not combat acceptable?

 

[ShionAH]

I thought the last time you made a CRT for sans air manip it was not combat acceptable?

Its not

 

[ForkMorkPork]

Well idk but idk but overall i'm not sure about anything else besides the air manip I think fear resistance can be agreed upon imo so i agree with everything else but im not sure on how his negs would work I will give my opinion when I learn more about it

 

[ForkMorkPork]

So one vote for his Fear Resistance and Air Manipulation

 

[Da3ggman]

3- Invulnerability Negation, His attacks ignore Frisk's INV

Frisk doesn't have invulnerability; they have damage reduction. I thought we agreed on this on a CRT a month back.

Edit: I agree on the rest.

 

[ShionAH]

Frisk doesn't have invulnerability; they have damage reduction. I thought we agreed on this on a CRT a month back.

Edit: I agree on the rest.

Frisk does have INV. Look at their profile

 

[ForkMorkPork]

Frisk doesn't have invulnerability; they have damage reduction. I thought we agreed on this on a CRT a month back.

Edit: I agree on the rest.

Wait is it only when Frisk wheres armor that the damage is diff

 

[ForkMorkPork]

Frisk doesn't have invulnerability; they have damage reduction. I thought we agreed on this on a CRT a month back.

Edit: I agree on the rest.

• Limited Invulnerability (INV should grant this, although it should be noted that INV only lasts for a few seconds)

 

[Da3ggman]

• Limited Invulnerability (INV should grant this, although it should be noted that INV only lasts for a few seconds)

How did I miss that? In that case, I agree with all.

 

[ShionAH]

How did I miss that?

Lol

 

[Lynieryz]

Agree FRA

 

[StrymULTRA]

1- Resistance to Fear Manipulation as he literally joked about frisk under charas influence which scared flowey a soulless emotionless being to the point of then wildly shaking and running away minutes ago

This would mean Undyne, Mettaton, and so on would get it too, and you know that ain't it buddy.

2- Air Manipulation, created a self-sustaining tornado in his room

I never knew that you can unlock his room lol. You keep learning new things on this game huh? Agree though.

3- Invulnerability Negation, His attacks ignore Frisk's INV

Durability Negation already does that iirc.

 

[ShionAH]

This would mean Undyne, Mettaton, and so on would get it too, and you know that ain't it buddy.

Wrong. The fear manip only becomes sıpernatural at LV 19 as they scared flowey a emitionless being

I never knew that you can unlock his room lol. You keep learning new things on this game huh? Agree though.

Yeap

Durability Negation already does that iirc.

Hmm but it should still be noted since it even ignores soul inv

 

[StrymULTRA]

Wrong. The fear manip only becomes sıpernatural at LV 19 as they scared flowey a emitionless being

I mean, Asgore wasn't scared either.

Hmm but it should still be noted since it even ignores soul inv

Characters with such powers may simply be unaffected by normal attacks, necessitating the use of things like Durability Negation to get through.

On invulnerability page.

But yeah, it should be added as a justification for his dura neg.

 

[ShionAH]

I mean, Asgore wasn't scared either.

He literally died before he realised what happened

 

[StrymULTRA]

He literally died before he realised what happened

But he wasn't shaking with fear like Flowey did though.

 

[ShionAH]

But he wasn't shaking with fear like Flowey did though.

Didnt he ask us to be calm and have a cup of tea?? Thats fear

 

[StrymULTRA]

Didnt he ask us to be calm and have a cup of tea?? Thats fear

He didn't shake with fear like Flowey did, you don't offer a cup of tea and a nice talk to someone you're shit scared of because that will kill you in seconds.

 

[ShionAH]

He didn't shake with fear like Flowey did, you don't offer a cup of tea and a nice talk to someone you're shit scared of because that will kill you in seconds.

Well I guess that makes it kind of more overcomplicated but I still think sans needs it. Asgore offered a cup of tea because he was scared. Its like when your friend is angry at you and you are like "calm down heh lets talk calmly"

 

[ShionAH]

Anyways Asgore barely had time to react anyway

 

[ShionAH]

Bump

 

[ShionAH]

bump

 

[TauanVictor]

he literally joked about frisk under charas influence which scared flowey a soulless emotionless being to the point of then wildly shaking and running away minutes ago

What are the indications that this is HAX and not just a natural fear?

2- Air Manipulation, created a self-sustaining tornado in his room

Agreed.

3- Invulnerability Negation, His attacks ignore Frisk's INV

It's dura neg.

 

[ShionAH]

What are the indications that this is HAX and not just a natural fear?

Flowey a soulless being fearing them plus the blind dog who literally had no idea who frisk was feeling uneasy around them when they were not even LV 10.

 

[ShionAH]

bump

 

[ShionAH]

I thought the last time you made a CRT for sans air manip it was not combat acceptable?

What are the indications that this is HAX and not just a natural fear?

Agreed.

It's dura neg.

He didn't shake with fear like Flowey did, you don't offer a cup of tea and a nice talk to someone you're shit scared of because that will kill you in seconds.

Agree FRA

How did I miss that? In that case, I agree with all.

Added a new ability so check it out

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

@Planck69 @DarkDragonMedeus Thoughts?

 

[StrymULTRA]

@Planck69 @DarkDragonMedeus Thoughts?

You should ping @Theglassman12 and @Therefir as they were the most vocal ones about this.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

@Theglassman12 @Therefir

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Flowey isn't emotionless, he just can't feel Love

 

[StrymULTRA]

Flowey isn't emotionless, he just can't feel Love

• Empathic Manipulation (Lacks the power to love other people and thus compassion[9], although his fear of being killed by Chara overpowered this, much to his surprise)

Mmmmmh.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I don't see the connection between getting scared and lacking the power to love

 

[Therefir]

3- Invulnerability Negation, His attacks ignore Frisk's INV

Well, it's not like they ignore INV, it's just that Frisk's INV never actually activates.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

• Empathic Manipulation (Lacks the power to love other people and thus compassion[9], although his fear of being killed by Chara overpowered this, much to his surprise)

Mmmmmh.

What does this have to do with him not being able to feel other forms of emotion? From what I'm seeing it's only said that he can't feel love and compassion, but it says nothing about other emotions.

If he was someone who have zero emotions or anything like that, he'd be a pokerface for the entire game, but no, he shows other kinds of feelings.

much to his surprise

If there's a scene where he gets scared and thinks or is told that he shouldn't be able to feel that kind of emotion or something like that, the argument might work, otherwise it won't.

 

[Therefir]

That's an issue, if we can't prove he cannot feel emotions, Flowey fearing Chara is not necessarily supernatural.

 

[ShionAH]

That's an issue, if we can't prove he cannot feel emotions, Flowey fearing Chara is not necessarily supernatural.

What about the blind dog then?

 

[ShionAH]

We need 1 more staff

 

[StrymULTRA]

Well, it's not like they ignore INV, it's just that Frisk's INV never actually activates.

I mean, Frisk's INV always activates in fights that's the thing. Sans on the other hand bypasses it.