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Explaining The Situation

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Kepekley23

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So, yesterday, most of the wiki entered the site to see more than 10 users blocked, including, but not limited to 4 staff members: Golden Void, Thebluedash, KamiYasha and Filflourine.

They were all banned, overall, for systematically harassing the VS Battles Wiki over a Discord group. I went to gigantic lengths to hide my involvement in all of this, but I currently can no longer manage to do that, considering I told Antvasima to redirect any and all issues to my inbox, and as soon as I woke up, I was literally completely filled with PMs.

First of all, yes, I was the Discord informant. Shocking? No, but whatever.

I had been planning something like this for about a month, and had only voiced the idea about two weeks or so ago. I managed to gain access to their Discord for about a week at that point, accumulated what was frankly pretty much enough within my first day, but Azathoth's exams made it so he did not have the time to give input. This was supposed to have been concluded about 3 days ago, but that made it impossible.

In hindsight, it was good because it allowed me to take time to get stuff on the normal users.

I will also be quoting words from the FANDOM staff member who blocked The Everlasting:

  • "As to whether or not FANDOM gets involved with events happening off our platform - the answer is usually not - it is very tricky to act upon things happening upon other websites because other websites have their own ToUs, we can not verify any allegations, and honestly a lot of times we are reported petty drama that would only intensify if we acted on our site because of what was said elsewhere.
  • "But two things changed that calculus - First, the actions happening off FANDOM were happening on a channel directly tied to this wiki and it appeared what was being discussed there had a direct effect on what was happening here. Second and more important, what was happening compromised the wellbeing of members of our userbase and - I don't want to speculate, because there are a lot of factors I don't know nor am qualified to comment on - could have broken the law. "
Due to the fact that we had VS Battles Wiki staff members on board, yes, absolutely by all accounts did it change what happened here, and it did affect the userbase. I'll be quoting Sera Loveheart:

"A certain Discord server and its members (all VSBW affiliated) have decided to take things to personal levels. I had heard that they claimed to have videos of Kepekley attempting suicide so I asked him, as I was worried about him. He assured me that he did not and that's when he, worried about me, asked me if they had pictures of me. That's when I remember Aeyu telling me they have been searching for my personal information in order to expose me as being "fake" and that they think I'm a man (i.e. the same person as Ven). I just brushed off what Aeyu said because I doubted they could get any info on me until Kepekley discovered that Flo (who I thought I could trust) infiltrated the Hangouts I made (if you remember) to gather pictures of me for image searches and publicly posted them on Discord and God knows where else. However from what I've seen the only pictures (excluding goofy memes and such) were of Ven's younger sisters, regular members of the wiki who have done literally nothing wrong and my baby"
"Most were pictures of my baby, which above all else is the last thing I want to be spread anywhere. I'm aware of their intent, but this is getting into illegal territory. It's only a manner of time before the post my real name. This isn't "valiant sockpuppet exposure" as they believe it to be, it's doxxing, two fifteen year old girls and an eleven-month old baby have been publicly exposed because of this obsession with me that shouldn't even exist anymore. They are even obsessed to a point of harassing me into Voice Chat, and pressuring Aeyu into the same simply because she didn't believe them. They also think she's a man. All of this being irrelevant to the wiki itself (unlike before when the wiki was being involved) and is now just them being trolls and bullies. This is no different than Mikasa stalking people on other sites or Mckmal posting p***"
Now that all of this has been said, let us indulge. Do you honestly think that KamiYasha, who gave us the golden lines of

Is any better than the average user who gets blocked because he has slightly insulted a staff member?

Do you think that Bluedash, the guy who wanted to tell Colonel Krukov to kill himself so bad that he asked a volative blocked user to make a sockpuppet and do it for him, before mocking the situation, is an innocent sunshine? (1, 2, 3, 4)

Do you think that Unite My Rice, the owner of this Bepo-style "Abilities" rant about Matt, is an user who isn't a hazard in the VBW staff?

The bottom line is, they are banned for good reasons, will stay banned and demoted and that's the end of it. Contact FANDOM all you want. Go ahead. Will not unban you from this wiki.

See the list below for all the users

Can also be inferred from the fact that they have access to:

  • VBW Hangouts
  • Antvasima admin exclusive PMs
Knight's copypasta (already saved and screenshotted if he deletes it)
 
The fact that the bans were done simply because the Discord members didn't like what was happening here and for good reason, since this means that any poster here has to worry about being banned for any VSB posts made elsewhere.
 
aw now that i think about it i do remember knight and frantzy talking about a certain discord, never paid it too much attention.

Sad to see even staff members secretly carry out in un-ordley manners
 
@RegisNex1232

Wait, so when a certain person is blocked for holding mild sexual harassment and abusing his powers via Discord, it's fine, but when you and the other members do it, it's not fine to block them, because your goal to see all the VBW staff banned and have the wiki collapse in itself is no longer attainable?
 
What in the fresh hell. All I have to say. What really hurts the most out of all of this is the amount of autism jokes. Like, I try to keep this on the low key but I have Asperger's syndrome, who do these ignorant jerks think they are that they can say stuff like that and expect to be exempted from punishment and consequences. Regardless of their position in the wikia hierarchy, there is a standard all individuals are to be held to, in which one convey their ideas in a concise way without having to resort to such primitive and bigoted language.
 
I need to go to sleep so I won't be looking at all of those "stashes" in detail for a few hours, but here are some of my thoughts.

If a user is encouraging socks to tell people to kill themselves like bluedash, or a similarly provocative act that could harm the wiki and members of our community, regardless of where they are doing it then that is ban worthy.

If a user is vehemently expressing their dissatisfaction with the vs wiki on a different site, while doing nothing ban worthy and not actually threatening the wiki, then that is their right to express their opinion and isn't something they should be banned for.

Note that I haven't actually given any examples for the second one, because I'm not sure if it actually fits any of them, and I largely trust kepekley's judgement
 
I never stated that was my goal. Where are you getting that from? I just don't like the blatant corruption and bias given to a former staff member who hasn't exactly given much proof to verify their story. Add on the spy stuff with you and this seems like an excuse to get rid of anyone who disagrees with how things are run here.
 
RegisNex1232 said:
I never stated that was my goal. Where are you getting that from? I just don't like the blatant corruption and bias given to a former staff member who hasn't exactly given much proof to verify their story. Add on the spy stuff with you and this seems like an excuse to get rid of anyone who disagrees with how things are run here.
Maybe it is because I have not been involved in this (and I am not in the discord). But I am one to point out if staff is abusing power and I really dont get your point here at all. The bans were well deserved.
 
RegisNex1232 said:
I never stated that was my goal. Where are you getting that from? I just don't like the blatant corruption and bias given to a former staff member who hasn't exactly given much proof to verify their story. Add on the spy stuff with you and this seems like an excuse to get rid of anyone who disagrees with how things are run here.
>hasn't given much proof

meanwhile, if you look a dozen or so posts above, you'll see the literal treasure trove of proof of misconduct and outright toxicity.
 
@Homu

I serious Homu,that pic is an incarnation of my reaction here.

I really didn't know Fill and Kami doing that,i respect them as veteran staff,now this happen and i'm just......
 
I seriously don't understand how one can argue in favor of those when:

  • One is leaking information from another person and gives them to another party in hopes of "exposing" them
  • Death threats
  • Insults (strong ones at that but sure let's call this a minority...even though in honesty it really isn't considering what they were consisted of)
  • Potentially leading to jeopardizing the life of a family
There's much more...but i don't think i have to go deep right?

Fact is, "they reap what they sow"

And just you know, i liked some people who were banned too (Ari, Knight, ect) so i'm quite shocked. But it is what it is
 
I'm sorry I couldn't have helped as much in the last few days as I could have, but I'm glad this situation was handled largely well without me.

I know a lot of people are shocked, and I am too. I really liked Ari and Flo and even played a couple of TF2 sessions with the latter. They weren't banned out of rage or hatred, but because what they were doing was simply wrong. Encouraging people to kill themselves, leaking photos without permission and threatening to "beat the shit" out of someone for disagreeing, is wrong no matter how you cut it.
 
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