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Existence Erasure for Keyblades

Nehz_XZX

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In X (chi) we can see during the events of the confrontation in the Keyblade Graveyard that the defeated Keyblade Wielders became hearts that floated away. A similar thing happened to Strelitzia when she got ambushed by someone. Xehanort also has similar feats with Eraqus and Kairi. Therefore I believe that the Keyblade and Keyblade Wielders in general should get this as a standard ability.

Hearts floating around at the Keyblade Graveyard:

https://youtu.be/Bzea_9Gxal8?t=57

https://youtu.be/DfUT-bzDA3A?t=122


Strelitzia's death:

https://youtu.be/nW0fsBYtUUs?t=122


Eraqus' death:

https://youtu.be/w7DHgpB8V5o?t=40


Xehanort kills Kairi:

https://youtu.be/xvMBFFH3aPw?t=252


Chirithy confirms that Kairi got erased out of existence:

https://youtu.be/co8TBDdadfQ?t=1256

This happened after Xehanort's defeat and when Sora tried to restore Kairi. The fact that Kairi faded away from existence because of something that Xehanort did shows that he is indeed capable of doing that.


Xehanort's death: https://youtu.be/0b4sFXMfch4?t=3040


The heart is explicitly separate from the soul.

This is explained on the verse page for Kingdom Hearts:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts#Terminology

The scene where Xemnas is about to kill Lea (or better known as Axel):

https://youtu.be/tLWiFUIPEdg?t=100

After Xion stops him Xemnas says that they only need Lea's/Axel's heart and not his soul.


For the sake of a comparison, here are scenes where people fade from existence as a result of having their heart turned into a Heartless which is already accepted for the verse and on the pages:

Sora sacrificing himself: https://youtu.be/fvPSl5S6RZI?t=65

A civilian who fades away after his heart turns into a Heartless: https://youtu.be/sBXvMLyYIa4?t=165

Xehanort turning Ansem's apprentices into Heartless and Nobodies: https://youtu.be/KfUTqF2jrCQ?t=693

Here are the links for the Physiology pages for the Heartless and Nobodies for further information:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Heartless_Physiology

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nobody_Physiology


Reasons as to why Existence Erasure isn't the natural consequence of death in Kingdom Hearts since that seems to need some clarification:

Goofy's "death": https://youtu.be/s4XzlAwWkXQ?t=39

This video shows how Sora, Donald and Mickey quite clearly seem to believe that Goofy died despite his body not having been erased from existence. Their later reactions when Goofy comes back make it quite clear that they didn't believe that he could recover.

Riku reassuring Sora: https://youtu.be/gCnLSl3F8Lk?t=253

Riku tells Sora that they haven't lost the others and that they still have their hearts. This suggests that he felt the need to tell Sora that they weren't dead despite the fact that their bodies weren't dissolving.

News report from San Fransokyo: https://youtu.be/ROxiVt3Kv7Q?t=714

The news report describes the people who fell victim to the heartless as having vanished and talks about strange floating heart symbols. This quite clearly shows that hearts floating around isn't a natural phenomenon and that the people from San Fransokyo have no clue what this is supposed to mean. If it was a natural phenomenon, this would be common knowledge and the news reporter would be incredibly uneducated for apparently not having that knowledge. Existence Erasure and floating hearts being the natural consequence of death in Kingdom Hearts also begs the question as to why the game developers apparently felt the need to make a random unnamed news reporter who only has one appearance with his voice appear incredibly unintelligent by displaying ignorance of these things.

Eugene's death: https://youtu.be/yIDcajufi4s?t=257

This video shows Eugene dying. Wikipedia and Disney wiki also say that he dies in that scene and the plot that happens in the Kingdom of Corona is mostly following the plot of the film Tangled. This means we had a person straight up die on the screen. We can see his corpse which doesn't get erased from existence on the screen and there is nothing that would make him a special exception. Nobody seems to question the fact that his body isn't getting erased from existence either which shows that there is nothing unusual about his body remaining. This means that corpses not fading from existence is the norm and not them fading from existence.

The defeat of the Titans: https://youtu.be/_DuxFZ3ERqE?t=648

They are quite obviously dying in this scene and there are no floating hearts.

The scene where Davy Jones kills William: https://youtu.be/wtd4piuQ1I8?t=426

An obviously dying William doesn't vanish after getting stabbed.

Shan Yu's defeat: https://youtu.be/kyS713JjagY?t=179

We see Shan Yu stumbling back with the implication of him dying. The camera avoids showing his body afterwards but there is no floating heart that you would be able to seen from the perspective of the camera.

Barbossa's death: https://youtu.be/B0STphupFwk?t=274

After the curse is lifted Barbossa just falls down dead and nothing else happens.

Oogie Boogie's death: https://youtu.be/nIwo5HAEQx8?t=426

Neither Oogie Boodie nor the insect that Donald stomped on dissolve or release hearts.


I'm not sure about the nature of this scene but it might be good for reference.

Flotsam and Jetsam vanish after an attack from Sora with his Keyblade: https://youtu.be/1NCw9un9tgs?t=64

They vanish but not the way how people usually vanish in the series and there are also no floating hearts.


This isn't quite clear cut but might be good supporting evidence.

The deaths of The Thirteen Seekers of Darkness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufMpgrydZfs

Some of them used replicas as bodies which also vanished with them after getting defeated. The remaining replica of Dark Riku suggests that replicas are perfectly capable of remaining after the defeat of their hosts but despite this the replica of Dark Riku was the only replica of The Thirteen Seekers of Darkness that remained at the end. This is likely due to Replica Riku's actions.


This might be worth checking out as well: https://youtu.be/T-su8SeMch0?t=325

The Hydra falls down and afterwards there is nothing to see of its body. I have to admit that there aren't a lot of details to work with in this case.
 
It isn't added yet and my account is still too new in order to make any changes.
 
The bracket for Existence Erasure should probably mention something about being able to take hits from Keyblade Wielders. This should also be on the Heartless Physiology page. The bracket that explains the effects the Realm of Darkness has on the people inside of it also mentions something about erasing existence itself within it so that should probably also be mentioned.
 
Currently I'm too busy to help with the editing, however, I would like if you summarized your ideas briefly, as it seems I currently agree with them, so I and others can implement it properly with no further issues.
 
Existence Erasure (Keyblade Wielders can erase people to the point where only their hearts remain)

This should scale to the Keyblade and all Keyblade Wielders.

Resistance against Existence Erasure (Can take hits from Keyblade Wielders, the Realm of Darkness erases existence itself within it)

This should apply to everyone who can take hits from Keyblade Wielders and withstand the effects that apply in the Realm of Darkness.
 
Mmm... it seems fine to me, but I feel like some more input from other users would be best here.

Feel free to contact active supporters that are in the verse page to give input on this thread, don't forget to link it, BTW.
 
Why should the Keyblade wielders get existence erasure if the metaphysical essences/hearts of their opponents remain afterwards?
 
Antvasima, they get Existence Erasure for erasing everything aside from the heart.
 
Antvasima The heart remains but Heartles are erased from existence once they're destroyed. Same for living beings, the heart still exists but the body is destroyed.
 
That does not seem like the same thing as completely erasing somebody from existing.
 
In the cases of Eraqus and Strelitzia, their bodies dissolved into light with only their hearts remaining. The heart is in these cases a concept. This means they were erased to the point were only concepts remained of them.
 
That still means that they remained in what passes for spiritual form in this fiction. Just destroying somebody's body does not seem like existence erasure to me.
 
Their bodies dissolved into light with nothing remaining of them. In other words nothing is left behind and this is a kind of destruction beyond even atomization like the page of Existence Erasure describes Existence Erasure to be. There is also the fact that the heart is treated as something separate from the soul.
 
Only the heart remain as a "something" but soul, mind and body are erased and heart only holds a small trace of the person and it can't be a person alone.
 
Oh yeah, it's generally agreed on already that when someone loses its heart, the body and soul vanish from existence, which is why Heartless already have it and all, and they are abstract entities, so it would just fall as an EE that doesn't include concepts, aka, non-conceptual erasure.
 
Well, maybe, maybe not then. We preferably need more staff input.
 
Mmm... apparently the staff is somewha tired already with the sheer amount of KH CRTs.

I guess we'll have to improvise with just further discussion as needed.
 
How much staff input is needed for something like this to go through?
 
Maybe 2-3 people or so. It depends from case to case.
 
If I count the number of different accounts with comments on this thread, there have been 6 people who commented here and are listed among the supporters of the verse with 4 of them explicitly agreeing.
 
How do I recognise that someone is a staff member?
 
They do not have a blue or red username colour.
 
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