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Someone said they were creating blue giants in the movie, wich is why the 4-B tier was proposed
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Eternals: Arishem Scene
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OK. Then I guess Arishem's profile can be done at least
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Is it really valid to be using e=mc^2 to figure out the AP from creation?
"Most of the time the process isn't thought through and simply exists for the plots sake. In fiction, where laws of physics are broken in various forms, the assumption that it has to have worked in this way doesn't hold and it may just be some other application of fictional science or just working"
It is not realistic for the Celestials to be gathering enough energy to create stars just from planets alone if we use mass-energy conversion to scale them
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Realistic or not, this is literally what they're doing in the movie so
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I applied the changes to my blog for Arishem. I also changed his intelligence (if was unknown originally)
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Arishem (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
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One of the reasons mass-energy conversion is not used often: "Most of the time the process isn't thought through and simply exists for the plots sake"Realistic or not, this is literally what they're doing in the movie so
I don't think that the writers were doing calculations between energy gathered on planets and energy required to create a star through mass-energy conversion
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Most writers don't do calculation at all. Pretty much everything in fiction is done for the sake of the plot. At least with the Celestials, it's...partially believable because they're basically cosmic gods so it's not like human calculations can accurately represent them
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Having characters be 4-B via mass-energy conversion with the evidence of them doing so stating that they gathered the energy required from a planet defeats the purpose of the formula used to calculate the energy required
The problem here is in trying to use a formula with evidence that contradicts it's usage
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Due to GBE they would still only be High 4-C afaik.
Like the largest star known is hundreds of times heavier sure, but the sheer size means most of the mass is rather easy to blow off.
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Well I'm not opposed to not making them 4-B, it's just a tier someone else proposed here to see if it would work, I originally planned to make them "At least 4-C". You think they can be High 4-C like you said above?
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Yeah, I agree with them being High 4-C I don't see why they would be limited in whether or not they could create a Supergiant star if the Celestials are supposed to keep the universe in a steady state
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That question was in relation to the mass-energy conversion method for getting the Celestials to 4-B
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What would be the justification for that then? My original one for the blog was "Celestials can casually create stars and suns thanks to their control over cosmic energy", would it be enough?
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Large Star level (Create countless stars to form new galaxies and prevent the heat death of the universe)
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Just watched the movie and I want to ask shouldn’t this be possibly? As while there is no dispute they are creating the said stars, it may as well be an overtime feat or something like that. Or is there more context elsewhere?
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The scene clearly shows them creating stars, including blue giants, in some seconds at best and they can casually create them so it's not really an overtime feat (though maybe we can go for "At least 4-C, likely/possibly High 4-C" if that's too big of a debate)
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The scene was more of an illustration describing things not the exact feat unless you think celestials are bigger than stars?
But yeah at least 4C seems fine
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I don't see why we shouldn't take the scene at heart considering it's Arishem himself who creates those images. He has no reason to show something that is false, it's certainly not in-character for him to lie and yes, if Celestials are capable of creating stars and suns that easily, it's believable for them be larger than stars (or to have the ability to alter their size, especially since there was a cut scene where Arishem would have reduced his size to make a tour of the World Forge to Sersi)
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If the High 4-C comes from them creating blue giants specifically, shouldn’t that be mentioned in their justification?
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Definitely, yes, the justification can be "Celestials use their control over cosmic energy to create countless stars, including blue giants, to form new galaxies and prevent the heat death of the Universe"
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Is there a better image for him?
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Perhaps the image of him looking down on Earth?
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It's better yes but it should be put in the center I think, shame there's no png for him
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you should probably just have him with 1 quote to fit the centered image
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Done, I kept his final dialogue at the end of the movie
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So withall that said, do you think we can make profiles for Arishem and Celestials now?
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I think so, just don't forget to add resistance to cosmic radiation to arishem too before adding his page
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Well let's go then
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Actually what implies the star the one Celestial makes is a blue giant? Its just a blue star.
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It was proposed by someone above in the thread and more or less accepted 
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Then just make them 4-C if there's no textual evidence for them doing a feat involving making giant stars.
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4-C or can "At least 4-C" work?
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It would be at least 4-C
