Because that's the current level of combat of the street gang (DD, Iron Fist, Shang-chi, etc)? Nobody goes above Genius atm, with the exception of Taskmaster, so I just used it as an example. You could literally just say "Yeah that's sounds like a requirement for EG" lmao.
In the terms of some of the crap Bullseye pulls with his precision yes
This have nothing to do with combat feat, but Cosmic Awareness, Clairvoyance feat. Combat is how the character demonstrate their skills, techniques in combat, not just seeing and have knowledge about some battles
Yes, but this awareness gives him know and skills of combat for his own use. Similarly, Ares from DC Comics knows all combat skills to ever exist from the beginning of time, and can directly apply that information into combat. They are nigh-omniscient in the ways of combat skill.
No, it would make it easier as currently it is hard to say, for example, what would "Supergenius" fighting skill be
If a character can instantly utilize and master highly transcendal weapons just by picking them up would that qualify for EG?
we do not even have proper standard yet and already start asking who qualify for what already??
at this point, i would recomend asking for permission and create a new staff only thread, and also ask this one to be closed
Gifted also this isn't an character intelligence evaluation thread so people please stop asking this kind of thing and stop derailing
It got more traction than mine, so there is that.
Full of pointless “heh well can your character do this
”. Be glad you didn’t have people instantly arguing about various characters skill.
There’s already a self evident intell thread, just go there to update pages
Yeah. That’s why I only said “maybe” because the existing descriptions we have aren’t the worst all things considered. It’s just frustrating seeing intelligence ratings slapped lazily nowadays
I can see from this point of view as well, in a way. Like, I don't really think there's a "standard" for Genius intelligence in combat. You just can sort of tell based on the feats. If somebody is replicating martial arts techniques after seeing them once, defeating hundreds of opponents at once, or is performing some sort of crazy sharpshooter shit, then you, they're a genius fighter. I'd say for Extraordinary Genius, you also just kinda have to tell when saying someone is a "genius fighter" is no longer giving them enough credit. Stuff like Emerl's base combat data crashing a supercomputer, certain Megaten demons having their existences intimately linked to concepts of combat and warfare, or being able to predict like a billion different attacks your opponent could use in combat is Extraordinary Genius level fighter shit
Eh personally like I said on the first page I feel like due to the extreme fictional nature of the verses we deal with om the wiki here we should be if anything much more strict with out intelligence because stuff like this is extremely common in fiction if this kinda thing is enough then damn near everyone on the wiki is a genius level combatant, I feel like more focus should be on writing out their actual intelligence feats themself and judging them with scrutiny based on the shit you find common throughout fiction.
I think I might not be communicating what I mean about sharpshooters properly. Keep in mind when I say "crazy sharpshooter shit", I don't mean stuff along the lines of Riza Hawkeye marksman feats. I mean more along the lines of this shit
I'm very aware of what you mean current characters with feats like that who do it via sheer mental calculation like V1 ultrakill and Ocelot are only Gifted and Genius for reference and then that alone doesn't take into account that the speed of a person matters to this as well so any REAL Supersonic+ or hypersonic can replicate this being realistic
TBF, the wiki is currently REAAAAAALLY underselling like, all MGS skill feats. Like, Raiden still just being "Gifted" is absolutely waffling. Plus in a verse like MGS, most characters are around the same speed level, which means Ocelot's skill feats aren't just him blitzing everyone
Me!! (Look at Andy, Kenjaku, Edea Florence, Shiro Hinomoto!!)
Real that's valid MGS should be much higher all around and it has some of the deepest skill ceilings on the wiki
Yeah no I'm aware I agree its ultimately case by case as someone like Bullseye or Daredevil has deep lore and many showings of doing this kinda thing via sheer mental calculations and can hit shit that's like smaller than my finger from ricocheting something from likena mile away but lots of the examples people brought up here aren't near on this level to actually grant half the goons genius who are brought up in this thread.
I disagree with that analogy. VS debating in general is easier than trying to "scale" real life sports, because with fictional franchises, everything we need to know about a character is shown. If someone says Mario will always one shot and no-diff a Goomba, no one will disagree with you. If you say Mike Tyson would stomp Bruce Lee for example, it gets messier. Real life athletes/fighters are different in that sense
This is essentially where im coming from as well to a small degree at least and I'd say also taking into account how characters respond to their environment and prep in any number of combat situations also should be taken into account as well, series like World Trigger do much better at showing this kind of real intelligence in combat much better than a lot of series I can imagine here
Generally? I might have a disagreeable take to some people that its easier to separate this since you can generally tell whats a general intelligence feat (ex. building a complex piece of technology) and whats a combat intelligence feat (defeating master martial artists). But there are overlapping examples. Like how some characters can make calculations mid-combat to do some insane shit. Maybe a character is just applying this to combat scenarios. But it also uses general intelligence aspects since its literally eyeballing accurate math, right? Yeah. Does that mean we exclude it from their combat intelligence? No, not at all. You just have to see whats applicable. Maybe thats a really basic way of putting it, but its not inaccurate if you ask me
I'm sorry I'm the guy who advertises treating anybody reading your profile like an idiot, and even I'm just like "Combat Skill is ******' obvious"
Weirdest complaint I have gotten this year, but uh, dully noted. I assume the core message came through and I will move on with my life.
I am Lord Frieza, yes
It did come through, dw. I just think comparing real life athlete “scaling” to fictional character scaling will always be a flawed analogy. At the end of the day though, what you said made sense to me
You see, the Archerfish is one of the precise examples of catching trained experts off-guard, when you know you're fighting a fish you don't expect it to shoot you, let alone accurately! So yes, they would.
