Enraged Hulk Upgrade

[Promestein]

Right now, enraged Hulk is currently Star level, for beating an amped Onslaught in a story in which he could create another star. However, given consistent feats from Hulk when he's enraged, I believe he should be boosted to Solar System level.

It lists such feats on his page even now:

• "matched the full power of the Sentry"
• "pushed a 10x stronger than normal warrior's madness Thor towards the ground with one arm"

I don't know why we'd list these as feats if we can't use them to scale.

And I remember other feats, such as Thanos considering him potentially dangerous enough to avoid, Hulk breaking through Ultron's adamantium frame, and so on.

Obviously, powerscaling in Marvel is iffy, but these high-ends seem fairly consistent without being obvious outliers, and when Hulk is pretty consistently portrayed as a powerhouse among Marvel superheroes, it's weird to see him so far below Thor.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I agree with the OP, hulk has many feats when he stalemated ss level beings before

 

[SomebodyData]

What does the guidebook say?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I too question why he's not rated higher given that it does mention him of that above as you put it, Prom.

And while it is true that powerscaling in verses like Marvel is iffy, something like this doesn't sound too outlandish to me.

So i support an upgrade of Enraged Hulk to be 4-B level here.

 

[Promestein]

What does the guidebook say?

Hulk and Thor are both in the same strength range of Above Class 100. Most of the characters there are High 5-A, however; Thor and such are probably special cases due to their own feats.

 

[SomebodyData]

Hmmm, good, in that case, I do believe that enraged Hulk likely can reach Solar System level, as the comparsions between Thor and him are well, extremely often.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Off topic: But could you guys check my thread out?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Alrighty so there's me, Peter, and SD that agreed, Prom. Looks good so far for ya here.

 

[Ryukama]

I agree with this upgrade as well. The page also says he was able to consistently keep up with Solar System Levels such as Thor, Sentry and Silver Surfer. I'm pretty sure he wasn't getting horrifically outclassed in strength and only keeping up speed wise for the majority of the time.

And like Prom said comic powerscaling may be wonky at times but Hulk is consistently regarded as a powerhouse within the Marvel heros. There is no reason why he should be nearly 19 thousand times weaker than the likes of Thor.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

So there's Ryu so that's 4 people (two from staff with one being an admin). Looking good so far. Once you feel that enough has been made Prom, you can safely do this.

@Ryu: Yeah, that's what's been bothering me. Like how is it that Hulk, one of Marvels well known powerhouses, be that much weaker compared to Sentry, Surfer, and Thor even? Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

 

[AllanSaiyan]

I agree with this since it's more than one time Hulk has shown to combat with opponents at Solar System level, so powerscaling him to them should be logical even with the powerscaling rule.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

So there's Allan, Ryu, Peter, SD, and me now. So 5 people, Prom. Alright, alright. Just give it more time and input n it might possibly be safe for ya to edit.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

I agree with the upgrade. Hulk being only Star level when Thor and Sentry are SS never really made a lot of sense to me tbh.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Thor is rated that way due to energy projection right? Same with Surfer iirc. Methinks Hulk could be higher, just not on par with their energy projection.

 

[Promestein]

Thor is rated that way due to energy projection right? Same with Surfer iirc. Methinks Hulk could be higher, just not on par with their energy projection.

It's scaled to his physical strength.

Besides, Ultron tanks energy blasts from Thor on a regular basis just fine.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

I disagree with most of these as the only one depicted being at full power at the time was Sentry who was stated to have the power of one million Suns, however when I asked Antvasima about it he said it was contradictory to the later arc where WB Hulk performed a dwarf star level feat.

 

[Antvasima]

I am uncertain about this.

On the one hand there is the consistency issue, regarding Thor, which supports this upgrade.

On the other hand, Hulk has also been consistently handled like an irritant by the Silver Surfer, and he was supposedly more powerful (let loose his self-imposed limiters) than in his fight against the Sentry when performing the Dwarf Star level feat, so consistency and Marvel do not go together very well.

Also, aside from the two High 3-A outliers (the infinite planet earthquake, and Beyonder measuring his power as infinite), I don't recall any Hulk feats of that level.

Still, I suppose that his statistics might seem very confusing to visitors without an upgrade.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

But that's really the thing here, Ant: Why would we still have the two things that Promestein listed above that's literally still on Hulk's page and yet still keep him lower like that?

Not to mention, and although this sounds pretty dumb, it doesn't seem quite make sense for me to see Hulk, one of Marvel Comics well known physical powerhouses, to be lower than that or Thor, Sentry, Surfer, and others of their level in any way, shape or form.

 

[Promestein]

Hulk and Silver Surfer can still be 4-B without being comparable.

Seems to be just inconsistency to me, and not necessarily an inconsistency that should prevent Hulk from being upgraded.

I'd be fine with "At least 4-C, possibly 4-B, when enraged."

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I see. Well i mean it shouldn't exactly be far fetched for Hulk to be that powerful as well, don't you think? @Prom

 

[Promestein]

Of course it shouldn't be, I've established that already, but if there's substantial skepticism about the validity of this upgrade, "possibly" may be safer than a concrete rating of 4-B.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that "4-C by feats. 4-B by consistency, while enraged" might be appropriate.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I'm fine with Possibly 4-B (ignoring the stuff before it, mind y'all) too.

 

[Ryukama]

Well I don't think it'd require Silver Surfer to be 19,000x stronger than Hulk in order for him to casually brush him aside. Since tiers, especially Solar System are notorious for being extremely broad, it seems reasonable IMO for all these characters to be 4-B yet some able to stomp another.

And even if Hulk's bout with Sentry was contradicted, wouldn't the way he is consistently handled as a powerhouse in Marvel and him being mostly shown on an at least somewhat comparable level to Thor supersede that?

EDIT: Lag made me get ninja'd like crazy. I didn't see the responses after Ant's original one.

 

[Promestein]

Although I would be willing to settle for "At least 4-C, possibly 4-B, when enraged", I still believe that 4-B (or Likely 4-B) is the most reasonable option.

• Likely Solar System level when suitably enraged (Has consistently been portrayed as comparable to Thor, and has matched the full power of The Sentry).

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

IDK, Prom. Ant said "At least 4-C by feats. 4-B in consistantsy when enraged" but that didn't exactly tell me much if it's straight up solid, likely, or possibly 4-B.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, okay then, I suppose that Promestein's suggestion is acceptable.

 

[Promestein]

I can implement the changes now, then.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Promestein]

Done.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Looks good. Since now that's done...Prom, Antvasima, shuld we close this?

 

[Antvasima]

@CrossverseCrisis I suppose so, just wait a little bit.

@Promestein Did you remember to adjust the Striking Strength and Durability as well?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I'll give it time then, yes. Though given that this is Prom's thread, i'll let her decide when to close this...

 

[Promestein]

I forgot to update his Striking Strength, but he should be done now.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. We can probably close this then.