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Elden Ring General Discussion

Chritin said:
Straghess gets some dope hax since he has resistance negation for rot. He can literally take the power of the rotted woods away if you have it to make you susceptible to rot. Like, just think about that for a moment. A power, which entirely negates the influence of scarlet rot, something NOTHING in the base game was able to do, can just be yoinked by him. Basically anyone who has rot immunity is screwed fighting him.
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It also specifically says "One power of the Favour of the Rotted Woods was lost" so I wonder if that could count as a Negation to blessings as well.
 
I noticed thar for quite a few bosses their resistances to any given status affect will increase everytime it is inflicted. Would this count as an ability?
 
Perfect_Human said:
I noticed thar for quite a few bosses their resistances to any given status affect will increase everytime it is inflicted. Would this count as an ability?
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It's likely a gameplay feature stopping you from spamming statuses on enemies. It's the same reason why things like death blight, madness, and sleep don't work on a lot of enemies since it would just cause them to be trivialized. They'd simply be listed as resistances.
 
I'm mostly confident that lore wise most beings have little to no resistance to Scarlet Rot, Death Blight, or Madness.

Like Radahn for example has a very strong will, but I doubt that lore-wise he'd be immune to the damaging effects of Madness. Same with Death Blight infections.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I'm mostly confident that lore wise most beings have little to no resistance to Scarlet Rot, Death Blight, or Madness.

Like Radahn for example has a very strong will, but I doubt that lore-wise he'd be immune to the damaging effects of Madness. Same with Death Blight infections.
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They do likely have some level of resistance, especially since resistances are distributed to characters based on their characteristics (like unholy characters having a holy weakness), but yeah there are likely no wholesale immunities, and also the concept that they can recover from things like Rot are also game mechanics.
 
Chritin said:
It's likely a gameplay feature stopping you from spamming statuses on enemies. It's the same reason why things like death blight, madness, and sleep don't work on a lot of enemies since it would just cause them to be trivialized. They'd simply be listed as resistances.
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Sure, but I feel like that isn't necessarily a reason to assume it can't exist in universe. The Death Blight and Madness I agree with, as their is no in-lore reason to assume that they couldn't effect most entities in the game but sleep has an animation/effect on a surprisingly large amount of enemies so I don't think that one would apply.
 
how long do you all think it will take a complete beginner who never played a single pc game in his life (me) to defeat that 10 foot tall, horse riding, giant axe wielding golden knight terrorising the lands without leveling up.

doing it for the challenge btw.
 
The game mentions Straghess' Stature rivals that of the Nightlord, should they be mentioned as equals, or more like Straghess is just comparable to him considering not having as many feats or statements of power that Heolstor and the Night has.

to me Straghess dosen't seem like he'd be on the same level as Heolstor, far stronger than the lesser Nightlords but not equal to THE Nightlord.
 
Speaking of Straghess actually, it seems to passively grow in power the longer it exists, at least based off what Scholar says.

When we first fight it, he mentions they were unable to defeat the Dreglord in its nascent state, meanings its only recently come into existence, and by the time it takes for us to find it again, it already seems to have grown in power signficantly.

That and Nascent means something that’s recently come into existence and already shows potential, which fits Straghess pretty well
 
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IAmNotBread said:
When we first fight it, he mentions they were unable to defeat the Dreglord in its nascent state, meanings its only recently come into existence, and by the time it takes for us to find it again, it already seems to have grown in power sisignficantly.
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It's hard to determine how strong he would be in that state, but seeing as we are level 8 when we fight him he seems to be between a first and second night boss in power, Where as he's obviously the final boss in his run and has significantly more abilities, so he's almost certainly stronger.
 
IAmNotBread said:
The game mentions Straghess' Stature rivals that of the Nightlord, should they be mentioned as equals, or more like Straghess is just comparable to him considering not having as many feats or statements of power that Heolstor and the Night has
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To my reading, The Dregelord is a byproduct of the Night and it's Rain:
Albinauric Spirit: Cast hatred aside. Heed not the call of the broken and discarded. They're trapped. Within the detritus. Offer them solace. Have mercy upon the dregs
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The Night is meant to be empty. The rain washes away everything: Time, space, and the personality of those within it. It's why Heolstor the Nightlord is not Heolstor to Champion, the Reculse's baby, or the things it absorbed.

When encountering the Night, instead of being destroyed by the Storm or absorbed into it, people keep their hatred. This hatred is so intense even the Rain can't remove it and they end up become Dreges.

So the Dregelord is a byproduct of the Night, something that will always exist in Heolstor's version lf the Age of Night. It's why the Dregelord wouldn't arrive during the Age of Stars since Ranni's Night doesn't bring the Rains.

So for NR the current scaling would look like the following in my view:
  • Elden Ring
  • Primordial Nightlord's Rune
  • Heolstor > Dregelord ~ (Post-Shattering) Marika / Radagon / Elden Beast
  • Nightlords / Dregelords
  • Demigods
 
Perfect_Human said:
Sure, but I feel like that isn't necessarily a reason to assume it can't exist in universe. The Death Blight and Madness I agree with, as their is no in-lore reason to assume that they couldn't effect most entities in the game but sleep has an animation/effect on a surprisingly large amount of enemies so I don't think that one would apply.
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There's no reason sleep doesn't work beyond the fact that they just didn't make animations for every enemy, same reason they didn't make madness or deathblight animations for enemies. There's also the fact that Eternal sleep exists, which doesn't function like it does in lore. It's supposed to straight up kill people, or at least make them sleep so deep they have no possible way of waking up, but instead its just a more potent version of normal sleep and only works on the same enemies.
 
Would the Deep of Night and Night Shard description be worth mentioning in Heolstor's profile? Specifically with the Deep of Night mentioning the Night extends out to infinity
 
Latin_Rhythms said:

"The dreglord is of equal stature to the primordial nightlord" my ass he robbed his chain like he did to everyone else
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I swear, with every minute passed, Heolstor becomes more and more insane

The lore: "The Dreglord is of equal stature to the primordial Nightlord"
Heolstor: *rips the universe asunder to channel Straghess's power like he's a Pokemon like with everyone else
The lore: B-but he's equal to y-
Heolstor: Did I stutter?
 
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so I won after good long hard fight and her relics stack with each other for skill attack power up and it's so dumb it's great. So thats a 44% skill attack boost and a 12% melee attack bonus plus on occasion when damage negation is lowered attack is negated and a super minor constant fp recovery.
 
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WOW what a bossfight

ArkhamDC06 said:
I swear, with every minute passed, Heolstor becomes more and more insane

The lore: "The Dreglord is of equal stature to the primordial Nightlord"
Heolstor: *rips the universe asunder to channel Straghess's like he's a Pokemon like with everyone else
The lore: B-but he's equal to y-
Heolstor: Did I stutter?
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But yeah they mentioned the Dreglord was equal in stature, which i think they just meant Straghess is equal to Heolstor in physical strength, in terms of other stuff like magic prowess? Heolstor still seems to be far above nearly everyone else.

Overall id say:

Lesser Nightlords < Balancers <<<<< Straghess < Heolstor
 
I saw that demigods have type 5 immortality in their profiles. Does that mean the Tarnished has type 5 negation immortality because he's capable of killing them?
 
The Everdark Balancers are straight-up taken from a horror movie.

"By the end the village was steeped in red and settled in silence. The village girl, drenched in blood, stood with a vacant stare and a heroic weapon in her grip."

Okay. Now that line has a very different vibe. I feel like I somehow stepped in Angra Mainyu's mud rn.
 
Perfect_Human said:
I can't really see a reason to assume that the Balancers are stronger than the other nightlords though.
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Eh I generally just like to go off of how they’re ordered in the list, or at least in when you can access them compared to one another.

Like you need to kill gladius to challenge the other 6

Then you need kill gladius and at least one of the 6 to unlock the Harmonia as an option

Straghess and Heolstor are self explanatory tho
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
I saw that demigods have type 5 immortality in their profiles. Does that mean the Tarnished has type 5 negation immortality because he's capable of killing them?
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Also:

"the Frenzied Flame which can melt away everything on a High Universe level, and the Greater Will which sits on par with the verses Universe level+ cosmology. In terms of speed [...] Finally, some of the Outer Gods and cosmic entities, possess are Infinite in speed, based on them being to travel infinite distances or consume the infinite universe."

This comes from the Verse Page, are there any sources for this???
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
I saw that demigods have type 5 immortality in their profiles. Does that mean the Tarnished has type 5 negation immortality because he's capable of killing them?
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Not necessarily. IIRC, death in ER is basically a form of incap where beings return to the Erdtree and have their lives recycled through it. So when we kill enemies, it isn't necessarily that we kill them permanently, just they are corporeally deastroyed for the time being. The removal of death also primarily negated the fated deaths of the demigods, making it so that they would no longer die naturally.

Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
Also:

"the Frenzied Flame which can melt away everything on a High Universe level, and the Greater Will which sits on par with the verses Universe level+ cosmology. In terms of speed [...] Finally, some of the Outer Gods and cosmic entities, possess are Infinite in speed, based on them being to travel infinite distances or consume the infinite universe."

This comes from the Verse Page, are there any sources for this???
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Hyetta tells the Tarnished that Frenzied Flame is capable of melting down the universe back into the one great, the original state of oneness where all things were together. This one great was fractured by the greater will to make the universe itself, an event described by Ymir in a manner akin to the big bang in our world.

The universe of Elden Ring is also infinite, with there being statements from Ranni in the original Japanese text ending of the age of the stars ending stating as much.

The Greater Will, existing (somewhat) outside of all of this, and creating objects like the Elden Ring which can govern time and space of this entire universe would also put it in the same High 3-A to Low 2-C tier.

As for speed, the Frenzied Flame is on this level because it is capable of consuming and returning the infinite to the one great in a finite amount of time.
 
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