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Elden Ring General Discussion

This is super late but I am curious what the consensus on dark souls ratings are on this site now. I heard they were going to get downgrade hard.
I've been dealing with it on and off. Currently I'm working on a blog focused on the main 4-C rating and how it applies (or doesn't to many characters). Beyond that, the Archdragon Belfry calc needs to be readdressed since I think it's seriously overblown, the Ceaseless Discharge calc doesn't even exist, and there's some other misc stuff that needs to get done and LS (I plan on making an official calc for supersonic support soon-ish)
 
has anyone discussed this feat which seems to be that Gladius during his phase transition creates or probably moves a sun in the sky box ? Compare the sky during 0:57 and 2:51 at first there is nothing but the red sky then during phase 2 a celestial object appears
 
has anyone discussed this feat which seems to be that Gladius during his phase transition creates or probably moves a sun in the sky box ? Compare the sky during 0:57 and 2:51 at first there is nothing but the red sky then during phase 2 a celestial object appears

pretty sure its in the same spot if you compare its position to the pillars when its in the middle, its just more orange and brighter? for some reason, kinda like how in Gnosters 2nd phase the sun turns green, what exactly that means and if it can be calculated for a feat, idk
 
pretty sure its in the same spot if you compare its position to the pillars when its in the middle, its just more orange and brighter? for some reason, kinda like how in Gnosters 2nd phase the sun turns green, what exactly that means and if it can be calculated for a feat, idk
Pay attention, you can distinguish a spherical object in the sky during phase 2 while in 1 there is nothing there but red light , I mean if you are directly affecting the sun by making its color different shouldn’t that be star level still? Besides I did some checks and no, the red light in the basic arena has no celestial object in it, it is something that exclusively shows up during Gladius’s phase 2, bonefirevn has a clearer POV of the sky boxes here
 
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has anyone discussed this feat which seems to be that Gladius during his phase transition creates or probably moves a sun in the sky box ? Compare the sky during 0:57 and 2:51 at first there is nothing but the red sky then during phase 2 a celestial object appears

This kinda reminds me of some of the Nightmare creations in Bloodborne, and similar issues arrised with them as does this feat here (if this sun even moves at all). Simply put, whether it be something like the Nightmare Frontier supposedly having a sun, or the Gladius supposedly having a sun and moving it, we don't really get any indication on what these things actually are. Sure they look like stars, but we can't really be sure cause we truly don't know what the nightlord's are doing to manipulate the skybox. Need I remind you that one of the most premiere moments of a character creating a "sun" in the soulsborne series was only an illusion that illuminated a single city (although that still may be worthy of calculation eventually).

TL;DR, identifying things in the skybox is tough, especially when you can't truly see them or there are pre-established shennanigans going on.
 
, I mean if you are directly affecting the sun by making its color different shouldn’t that be star level still?
Unless you move, destroy, or completely alter the sun, it's not star level. Just changing the Star's color can be accomplished with atmospheric manipulation. Unless the Sun was physically transformed from Yellow to Red or something along those lines, I don't think it would get you anything.
 
Alright, Chritin and I have gotten the Magic and Status effect pages done for the most part and it can be read here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Qawsedf234/SandboxEldenMagic

My current plan is as follows:
Overall once some other stuff is done, it should make all the Nightreign and Elden Ring profiles a lot easier to manage imo
 
One thing I forgot about is that we probably need to make a Ranni profile. She'd probably have two keys. One for her game form and another for the Age of Stars when she replaces Marika as god.
 
One thing I forgot about is that we probably need to make a Ranni profile. She'd probably have two keys. One for her game form and another for the Age of Stars when she replaces Marika as god.
What does she even get from that since she doesn't claim the Elden Ring for herself? I guess she would technically get the Tarnished as standard equipment though since they're traveling together as a couple I suppose?
 
What does she even get from that since she doesn't claim the Elden Ring for herself
She claims the Elden Ring and moves order to outer space, so it no longer governs people. She's a God just a super distant one.
traveling together as a couple I suppose?
I think it counts for team match upside but not for gear
 
She claims the Elden Ring and moves order to outer space, so it no longer governs people. She's a God just a super distant one.

I think it counts for team match upside but not for gear
Imagine Ranni clinging to the Tarnished's back like Miquella does with Radahn and lending them her powers. I think I've actually seen fan art like that before.
 
That's true. Though I am wondering do we need a key for her before becoming a puppet, or would it just be the same just minus any puppet abilities and thus not really needed?
 
That's true. Though I am wondering do we need a key for her before becoming a puppet, or would it just be the same just minus any puppet abilities and thus not really needed?
I think the only difference is that the puppet isn't 10 feet tall and she lacks the stamina she used to have. Otherwise it's identical.
 
I think the only difference is that the puppet isn't 10 feet tall and she lacks the stamina she used to have. Otherwise it's identical.
Her puppet body can also just completely regenerate any damage caused to it as shown by her broken body vanishing and then coming back good as new after you put the ring on ig.
 
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One thing I forgot about is that we probably need to make a Ranni profile. She'd probably have two keys. One for her game form and another for the Age of Stars when she replaces Marika as god.
I know Chariot had a lot of stuff on her, and at one point I considered sitting down and making her profile.
 
Tbf she's a mage and we didn't have the magic blog. She probably gets Cold + Carian + Glintsone and maybe Puppetry for what she did to Selvius.
She gets most of the cold sorceries (at least the ones of the Snowy Crone), Carian Sorceries, her own moon sorcery, and all the ones she gave to Rennala for her fight with the Tarnished since she was able to restore them
 
She gets most of the cold sorceries (at least the ones of the Snowy Crone), Carian Sorceries, her own moon sorcery, and all the ones she gave to Rennala for her fight with the Tarnished since she was able to restore them
Would that include her Ash Summons?
 
Yup, which is kinda crazy since she likely can pull out a dragon. Granted, she also has Adula so she basically has two dragons to use when needed.
Would her servants even count as standard equipment for her? If so then would that include the Tarnished prior to becoming her full on consort?
 
She doesn't personally fight anyone, and keeps most of her allies for defense, so I don't see why it wouldn't be allowed to a degree. Blaidd is literally her shadow with the express purpose of making sure she doesn't die.
 
She doesn't personally fight anyone, and keeps most of her allies for defense, so I don't see why it wouldn't be allowed to a degree. Blaidd is literally her shadow with the express purpose of making sure she doesn't die.
I get that but at the same time they're also not always with her and I'm pretty sure she can't just teleport them to her if they aren't. Adula seems like a weird exception in that they can just teleport around like Lansseax was shown to do.
 
What do y'all think the standard powers of the Nightlord's should be? I'm looking into it right now for Libra's page and it's hard to tell which abilities they would all share as being nightlords. Here are the only 2 I got

* '''[[Multiple Selves]]''' (The Nightlords are all apart of Heolstor and the Night itself, representing different aspects of its power)

* '''[[Weather Manipulation]]''' (As a Nightlord, Libra has control over his own night and the Night's tide. Can change the sky of his arena to fill with clouds)
 
Hey, do you think we should develop the profiles of Nightreign legacy bosses for their own games (specifically the ones that don't have theirs yet) before making their Nightreign profiles?
 
Hey, do you think we should develop the profiles of Nightreign legacy bosses for their own games (specifically the ones that don't have theirs yet) before making their Nightreign profiles?
In my mind someone like Morgott would get a Nightreign key that mentions him using his Omen Blood and Formless Mother powers rather than an entirely new profile.

Now someone like the Nameless King I'm not sure how we tackle. I guess theoretically he could just be like "DS3 scaling, possibly Elden Ring scaling" or something like that.

If you mean a profile page itself, I think Nightreign should be included with Elden Ring. It is a canon entry, it just erases itself during the process of the story.
 
No, I mean Centipede Demon, Smelter, and Duke's Dear Freyja don't have profiles at all yet, and I think they should before we make their Nightreign pages/keys.
 
Goddamn, Everdark Maris is huge
Hoping it's over 100m so that it can get T2 Large Size


Yeah they should get profiles first. Unless we're doing combo profiles
No, I mean Centipede Demon, Smelter, and Duke's Dear Freyja don't have profiles at all yet, and I think they should before we make their Nightreign pages/keys.

I mentioned this when I added them to the Nightreign page, but I'll send it here to reclarify:
For the time being, the presence of Dark Souls characters should not be seriously considered in the scaling of Elden Ring Nightreign, and more specifically Elden Ring proper. Their inclusion lacks many significant lore justifications, with interviews by Junya Ishizaki clarifying that their inclusion was more of a gameplay and design decision rather than a lore one. Along with this, Dark Souls as it stands is considered nigh outdated, and deserving of significant cleanup before anything could even be translated over.
As clarification of the latter, part, the game has only one semi-usable calc to its name (the 4-C stuff is half baked, the Ceaseless Discharge calc doesn't exist/isn't a real feat, and the low tier stuff is... it's fine ig). I maybe agree there's some room for keys based only on their presenence in Nightreign, so basically exluding all of their DS stuff and only scaling them off their showings there, but I still don't think that's a good idea since it means we'll just have to go back and fix stuff later.
 
Actually considering Nameless King is a Night 2 boss for Fulghor, would that mean Fulghor is stronger than Nameless King?

Then again ive heard dark souls is getting a big scaling downgrade so that might not be as major of a thing.
 
and cinimatic as hell, honestly I can't wait to go against caligo

and I am also near certain that they will give us everdark heolster and it's gonna blow us away (right before the DLC too)
Speaking of DLC, i do wonder what the bosses will be like

either theyre all lesser Nightlords or we get some lesser nightlords and a new Major Nightlord

Though the DLC is only 15 dollars, so i don't expect a significant amount of new bosses, probably 2 or 3, and 4 at the absolute best
 
Actually considering Nameless King is a Night 2 boss for Fulghor, would that mean Fulghor is stronger than Nameless King?

Then again ive heard dark souls is getting a big scaling downgrade so that might not be as major of a thing.
Not necessarily a downgrade, it just needs a serious rework. The last person who put much of any effort into it I would say is Weekly, and he was more of a detriment to the verses scaling than anything else.
 
Not necessarily a downgrade, it just needs a serious rework. The last person who put much of any effort into it I would say is Weekly, and he was more of a detriment to the verses scaling than anything else.
Ahh fair enough then

but yeah, would Bosses like Nameless King being before Fulghor and Dancer being before Caligo give those two any extra bits for scaling? or not really?
 
Probably not since it seems Star Level DS is probably a view in the wiki that isn't going to change for a while.
 
but yeah, would Bosses like Nameless King being before Fulghor and Dancer being before Caligo give those two any extra bits for scaling? or not really?
I mean the main issue is the tiers. Fulghor and Caligo scale to "At least 7-A, likely High 4-C". The Nameless King and Dancer are Low 6-B to 4-C, depending on how you do the scaling. The former is higher than their lower end, so you can argue and upscale, but the latter rating has them upscale from a value 640x what either has.

So maybe? Someone like Heolstor wouldn't benefit from anything.
 
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