Egg Wizard minor revision

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Currently we accept the alternate timelines of Sonic as 2-B possibly 2-A. Egg wizard has the power of the stars which was stated to support the existence of parallel worlds which would include these timelines. My proposal is to change Egg Wizard from LIKELY 2-B possibly 2-A to just outright those tiers and drop the 2-C part, pretty simple imo.

Agree: @Theuser789 @ShakeResounding @GlaceonGamez471 @omegabronic @LaserPrecision @JJSliderman @Remus1998 @ShadowWarrior1999 @LephyrTheRevanchist @Gilad_Hyperstar

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[ShakeResounding]

Considering the cosmology and established multiverse is more concrete thanks to Tailstube #4, dropping 2-C seems like the best way to go.

I agree.

 

[Theuser789]

Tailstube makes the Multiverse itself 2-B, so yes, agreed

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Easy agree

 

[omegabronic]

agreed

 

[LaserPrecision]

Always agreed. He should've been outright 2-B the moment we accepted Sonic's cosmology as 2-B. Man is superior to Solaris.

 

[JJSliderman]

Wizard seems like the last vestige of 2-C, at least we can finally remove that tier.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Wizard seems like the last vestige of 2-C, at least we can finally remove that tier.

Egg Salamander

 

[JJSliderman]

Damnit

 

[Remus1998]

I don't know why we kept the 2-C in the first place, Agree

 

[Remus1998]

Tailstube makes the Multiverse itself 2-B, so yes, agreed

I thought it only confirmed possibly 2-A

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I’m good with dropping 2-C. Pondering if it should scale to immeasurable by fighting full power Super Sonic.

 

[omegabronic]

I’m good with dropping 2-C. Pondering if it should scale to immeasurable by fighting full power Super Sonic.

nothing indicates that super sonic was "full power" there

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Nvm keep it at MFTL+.

 

[LaserPrecision]

nothing indicates that super sonic was "full power" there

He literally said he was going to use full power against the Egg Wizard otherwise they couldn't beat them

Outside of the enemies in Frontiers Egg Wizard was Sonic's strongest enemy. The fact his power source was superior to the Emeralds and Sol Emeralds should make it rather clear he scales to Immeasurable as well.

 

[omegabronic]

He literally said he was going to use full power against the Egg Wizard otherwise they couldn't beat them

Outside of the enemies in Frontiers Egg Wizard was Sonic's strongest enemy. The fact his power source was superior to the Emeralds and Sol Emeralds should make it rather clear he scales to Immeasurable as well.

welp, he scales then, altho the whole "superior to the chaos and soul emeralds" thing makes me suspicious, like, the emeralds don't get stronger, yet super sonic can fight even stronger beings (the titans and the end" later on in frontiers

 

[Eseseso]

Agree.

 

[LaserPrecision]

welp, he scales then, altho the whole "superior to the chaos and soul emeralds" thing makes me suspicious, like, the emeralds don't get stronger, yet super sonic can fight even stronger beings (the titans and the end" later on in frontiers

Because Sonic gets stronger (Alternatively, you can view it as Sonic's mastery over Super becoming greater, allowing him to better utilize its power)

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I think Super Sonic is basically the same as Goku's transformation, while he does get a huge multiplier, he still needs a strong base state for the multiplier to work at its maximum capacity.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I think Super Sonic is basically the same as Goku's transformation, while he does get a huge multiplier, he still needs a strong base state for the multiplier to work at its maximum capacity.

I personally believe it to be additive. Basically Sonic + Chaos Energy = Super Sonic. Tho I think in the case of Frontiers, we either have to say The End was exaggerating, that Sonic grew infinitely stronger (Would mean High 3-A Base Sonic), or that Sonic's mastery improved, allowing him to channel more power. I'm feeling it's the third option + Base Sonic getting stronger (Tho not by an infinite amount).

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I personally believe it to be additive. Basically Sonic + Chaos Energy = Super Sonic. Tho I think in the case of Frontiers, we either have to say The End was exaggerating, that Sonic grew infinitely stronger (Would mean High 3-A Base Sonic), or that Sonic's mastery improved, allowing him to channel more power. I'm feeling it's the third option + Base Sonic getting stronger (Tho not by an infinite amount).

or it can be similar to Archie Sonic, where every time he uses his super form and return to base, he gets an extra boost permanently

 

[LaserPrecision]

or it can be similar to Archie Sonic, where every time he uses his super form and return to base, he gets an extra boost permanently

In Archie, he doesn't get a permanent amp. From what I recall, he is just restored to full health after it runs out. Whereas Scourge's Super Form leaves him drained due to it being an opposite.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

In Archie, he doesn't get a permanent amp. From what I recall, he is just restored to full health after it runs out. Whereas Scourge's Super Form leaves him drained due to it being an opposite.

No sure (minute 2:00)

 

[LaserPrecision]

No sure (minute 2:00)

It may be a small "amp", but I think it's just replenishing some of his stamina. Otherwise Sonic would be implying Super Scourge gets a permanent debuff every time he uses the form. But that's clearly not the case.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Mmmm ok

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

He literally said he was going to use full power against the Egg Wizard otherwise they couldn't beat them

Outside of the enemies in Frontiers Egg Wizard was Sonic's strongest enemy. The fact his power source was superior to the Emeralds and Sol Emeralds should make it rather clear he scales to Immeasurable as well.

Immeasurable it is then.

 

[omegabronic]

I personally believe it to be additive. Basically Sonic + Chaos Energy = Super Sonic. Tho I think in the case of Frontiers, we either have to say The End was exaggerating, that Sonic grew infinitely stronger (Would mean High 3-A Base Sonic), or that Sonic's mastery improved, allowing him to channel more power. I'm feeling it's the third option + Base Sonic getting stronger (Tho not by an infinite amount).

or maybe just put The End>>super sonic, that also solves it

 

[LaserPrecision]

or maybe just put The End>>super sonic, that also solves it

Ehhh, I put them at relative at worst.

 

[omegabronic]

Ehhh, I put them at relative at worst.

i mean, there is nothing preventing it from being stronger than super sonic

 

[LaserPrecision]

i mean, there is nothing preventing it from being stronger than super sonic

Nothing preventing Sonic from being relative either. When you punch a hole through someone and they explode, typically you scale. That isn't to say they're equal or anything. After all, if Sonic fails to father energy for his final attack he immediately gets game over. But he can't be infinitely weaker.

 

[omegabronic]

Nothing preventing Sonic from being relative either. When you punch a hole through someone and they explode, typically you scale. That isn't to say they're equal or anything. After all, if Sonic fails to father energy for his final attack he immediately gets game over. But he can't be infinitely weaker.

i don't mean something so drastic, just that they are stronger than super sonic, how much? not very clear, more than the eggwizard via statements

 

[LaserPrecision]

i don't mean something so drastic, just that they are stronger than super sonic, how much? not very clear, more than the eggwizard via statements

Mmmm, maybe. Tho I think Super Sonic > The End has merit. By the end of the game of course (pun-intended).

 

[Theuser789]

I thought it only confirmed possibly 2-A

No, it confirmed 2-B. Tails says there's endless possibilities in the multiverse

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Apparently endless is enough for 2-A from what I’ve heard.

 

[JJSliderman]

Ian did say Tails was purely speculating with that comment, so I’m not sure how much stock I put into it, considering he helped write the segment.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Ian did say Tails was purely speculating with that comment, so I’m not sure how much stock I put into it, considering he helped write the segment.

Are you referring to the existence of other timelines or just that there are infinite

 

[JJSliderman]

There being infinite dimensions based on the TailsTube, I asked and he said “Tails was just speculating, technically the series won’t contradict you if you use there being endless dimensions in the multiverse to justify every Sonic media being canon, but you won’t be validated as of right now.”

 

[Theuser789]

Vague words from Ian that amounts to "I don't know"

I don't care.

 

[JJSliderman]

He helped write the segment, if he intended to say there was flat-out infinite or endless universes he would have been up-front about it, instead of saying it’s up to viewer interpretation.

 

[Theuser789]

Because writers don't think hard about this shit. But if it's up to viewer interpretation then I interpret as Tails telling the absolute truth. Done.