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Following the conclusion of this thread, now comes a long-awaited Aeon nuking.
To begin, though, I believe it’s apt to clarify what the thread above established:
Well, this scan:
^ Irontomb here, and additionally, Aeons like Fuli scale to the Physical World. Explicitly so. In fact, the statement is so blatant that in the same scan it reifies “Universe” as referring to that same Physical Plane.
And when Irontomb actually destroys the Universe, we are told:
Basically, they escaped Irontomb by going into Path Space (non-corporeal) and state that Irontomb will only affect the “Real” (Physical) Space-Time.
So as it stands, Aeons only scale to the physical 4-dimensional Universe. Which naturally places them at Low 2-C.
Now. We do have this statement:
Now. Hoyoverse terminology is bad. Like really bad. For example, in places like Durandal’s VN, it uses both 宇宙 (yǔzhòu), the term used for Universe in HSR, and 世界 (shìjiè), which is the term used for Leaves in HSR, to refer to the same Bubble Worlds (which are small Space-Times that do not even qualify for Low 2-C):
In that sense, it seems reallyyyy odd to trust a one-off statement like this. But, HSR terminology is generally more consistent, I’ll give it that. So for IX only, I’m not necessarily prone against it having some arbitrary 2-C rating, or a “Low 2-C, possibly higher”.
Also, Duranadal has this feat, but we already established last thread that Bubble Worlds aren’t some High 1-C structure or wtvr. So it’s getting nuked to the size of the Bubble World itself.
In any case, I have to address a question: Why is the Universe Low 2-C?
Well, I’ll begin by saying that I’m not that against some 2-C rating.
After all, we know genshin is inside of the Tree (as Otto observed it with the 2nd Key) and we also know that its universe is at least 93 billion lightyears long. Which of course qualifies for our standards. So on that, I’m not against it.
Then, we also have the issues presented by scans such as these. In Hi3, particularly speaking, every branch holds parallel timelines of the leaf worlds, with these timelines explicitly being “alive” (including the ones in the past as seen by Otto):
Issue, then, is Herta's explanation. Which posits the following:
The first one is the fact that the alternate timelines of the leaves... do not exist in HSR. Since they would fall off for a certain future to sprout. Which explicitly contradicts what we see in Hi3 since those timelines exist and aren't "pruned" to anchor a future.
And secondly, that Kallen's timeline (the one Otto created in the past), cannot possibly exist if only the present constitutes branches and leaves. Which, mind you, is visually contradicted since we see a branch sprout when Otto created the timeline. (It'd also be a funny implication that Nous possibly sniped Kallen's branch lmfao)
So then, what now? Well, there's really no reconciliation for these issues. They're pretty blatantly inconsistent, unless we assume Herta is a D1 sub-intellectual and just saying shit for the sake of it.
If we accept the contradiction, then we can argue that Aeons are 2-A due to infinite timelines. But if we are to say that Aeons only scale to their non-contradicted feats, then it would go down to somewhere in Low 2-C or 2-C. I'll honestly leave this for the mods all things considered.
A bit more unrelated, but this is also not the first time that the series contradicts itself. And I want ya’ll to keep it in mind when making the judgment above. This is the description of IT in HSR:
Whereas in Hi3, the Tree is not the universe. In fact, it is the origin of it and is a higher-dimensional membrane/space that exists outside of it that you need to open portals to. So yea, IT does not mean the same thing in both series, at all.
As for Otto who created a branch/timeline, Low 2-C is fine.
Only Cocoon should realistically be High 1-C.
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To begin, though, I believe it’s apt to clarify what the thread above established:
- The Physical World is inherently 4-dimensional. And in respect to Bubble Worlds, it can possess up to 7 compactified extra dimensions. So it is Tier 2.
- The Sea of Quanta and Imaginary Tree (Imaginary Space) are both 11-dimensional constructs, scaling to High 1-C.
Well, this scan:
^ Irontomb here, and additionally, Aeons like Fuli scale to the Physical World. Explicitly so. In fact, the statement is so blatant that in the same scan it reifies “Universe” as referring to that same Physical Plane.
And when Irontomb actually destroys the Universe, we are told:
Basically, they escaped Irontomb by going into Path Space (non-corporeal) and state that Irontomb will only affect the “Real” (Physical) Space-Time.
So as it stands, Aeons only scale to the physical 4-dimensional Universe. Which naturally places them at Low 2-C.
Now. We do have this statement:
“Multiverse” here uses 多宇宙 (duō yǔzhòu) which literally means “many universes” with 宇宙 (yǔzhòu) being the term generally used for the Universe or Cosmos itself. Which functionally implies that it is talking about multiple entire universes.
Now. Hoyoverse terminology is bad. Like really bad. For example, in places like Durandal’s VN, it uses both 宇宙 (yǔzhòu), the term used for Universe in HSR, and 世界 (shìjiè), which is the term used for Leaves in HSR, to refer to the same Bubble Worlds (which are small Space-Times that do not even qualify for Low 2-C):
In that sense, it seems reallyyyy odd to trust a one-off statement like this. But, HSR terminology is generally more consistent, I’ll give it that. So for IX only, I’m not necessarily prone against it having some arbitrary 2-C rating, or a “Low 2-C, possibly higher”.
Also, Duranadal has this feat, but we already established last thread that Bubble Worlds aren’t some High 1-C structure or wtvr. So it’s getting nuked to the size of the Bubble World itself.
In any case, I have to address a question: Why is the Universe Low 2-C?
Well, I’ll begin by saying that I’m not that against some 2-C rating.
After all, we know genshin is inside of the Tree (as Otto observed it with the 2nd Key) and we also know that its universe is at least 93 billion lightyears long. Which of course qualifies for our standards. So on that, I’m not against it.
Then, we also have the issues presented by scans such as these. In Hi3, particularly speaking, every branch holds parallel timelines of the leaf worlds, with these timelines explicitly being “alive” (including the ones in the past as seen by Otto):
Issue, then, is Herta's explanation. Which posits the following:
- The future in the Tree is determined by quantum collapse (as also explained by Yao Guang), which happens through observation and the "pruning of branches".
- The totality of branches and leaves make up the present.
The first one is the fact that the alternate timelines of the leaves... do not exist in HSR. Since they would fall off for a certain future to sprout. Which explicitly contradicts what we see in Hi3 since those timelines exist and aren't "pruned" to anchor a future.
And secondly, that Kallen's timeline (the one Otto created in the past), cannot possibly exist if only the present constitutes branches and leaves. Which, mind you, is visually contradicted since we see a branch sprout when Otto created the timeline. (It'd also be a funny implication that Nous possibly sniped Kallen's branch lmfao)
So then, what now? Well, there's really no reconciliation for these issues. They're pretty blatantly inconsistent, unless we assume Herta is a D1 sub-intellectual and just saying shit for the sake of it.
If we accept the contradiction, then we can argue that Aeons are 2-A due to infinite timelines. But if we are to say that Aeons only scale to their non-contradicted feats, then it would go down to somewhere in Low 2-C or 2-C. I'll honestly leave this for the mods all things considered.
A bit more unrelated, but this is also not the first time that the series contradicts itself. And I want ya’ll to keep it in mind when making the judgment above. This is the description of IT in HSR:
Whereas in Hi3, the Tree is not the universe. In fact, it is the origin of it and is a higher-dimensional membrane/space that exists outside of it that you need to open portals to. So yea, IT does not mean the same thing in both series, at all.
As for Otto who created a branch/timeline, Low 2-C is fine.
Only Cocoon should realistically be High 1-C.
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