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On Aeonic Scaling (Honkai)

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The higher D being scalable used is as far as i know coming from Ryusuke having his R>F over Welt which even ultima accepted to he low 2-C before which if aeons have 11D HDE they would be high 1-C which if its still acceptable it would work but i infact only see it for HooH and IX since their influence actually spreads across entire realm
I mean if they're affecting it then sure! But from what I'm seeing it's basically saying that even if the dimensions are scaleable they'd be fighting in 4, maybe even 5?

Of those scaleable dimensions and not all of it unless proven otherwise because iirc HDE doesn't qualify for scaling anymore. Maybe with the old standards ye but I'm not sure about current

Could be wrong tho.
 
Of those scaleable dimensions and not all of it unless proven otherwise because iirc HDE doesn't qualify for scaling anymore. Maybe with the old standards ye but I'm not sure about current
It doesn’t qualify is the point, yes.
 
HooH is the source of Imaginary Energy but also derived by it 🤥 ignore how narratively inconsistent this is, and also realize that the Space itself doesn’t have the same functions as mere energy.
I never said they are source of img energy, nor would this make sense just because they merged with IS, im saying it would be scalable because entire universe operates trough img energy which would include the web of logic, or do we just say irontomb randomly ****** up with erudition constants trough something that isnt imaginary energy from path of destruction he uses
 
It doesn’t qualify is the point, yes.
Hmmmm... a shame it's not the old standards. While I can see the arguments made in the ops and while it's funny Aeons getting nuked imo from what I played they are treated as higher dimensional beings but are dicked over by god awful writing consistency and purple prose....

I'm coping
 
I never said they are source of img energy, nor would this make sense just because they merged with IS, im saying it would be scalable because entire universe operates trough img energy which would include the web of logic, or do we just say irontomb randomly ****** up with erudition constants trough something that isnt imaginary energy from path of destruction he uses
You: Web of Logic is IS
You: IS is the source of IM
You: Web of Logic is from IM
I mean entire universe operates trough imaginary energy so i think it would be applicable, especially when they are fused with very thing from all imaginary energy originates from
proof^
 
I am saying that the Tree in Hi3 refers to Imaginary Space but in HSR it refers to Real Space. Aeons only scale to the latter.
HI3 tree contains both real space and imaginary space. HSR tree only explaning about real space doesn't mean imaginary space doesn't exist in HSR. That's ignoring the already established concept by arguing the lack of proofs in later context. Obviously, aeons don't exist in real space. They are higher dimensional beings and they had to descend to physical plane aka real space. The world "descend" is only used when higher realm entity coming to lower physical realm. The only realm above real space and physical space is imaginary space. It's a simple deduction using already established facts.
 
So you want to go the Infinite Zamasu route where he gained 6D Ap and Dura via UES for fusing with the hyper timeline
Issue is that HooH js merged with the thing that controls the constituents of the physical world, which has a set function that I’m not rlly sure is scalable.

doesn't mean imaginary space doesn't exist in HSR
This is the billionth strawman this thread, but wtvr, I wont take a problem.

Can you at least js gimme the proof they scale to Imaginary Space in it’s entirety?
 
You: Web of Logic is IS
You: IS is the source of IM
You: Web of Logic is from IM
I mean hoyo literally wrote this not me
But if u want it to make more sense it would just go IS>Web of Logic=HooH>physical universe
which means HooH would just downscale from IS as IS is his daddy
Where do you think masterless img energy comes from?
Where do you think Honkai energy comes from?
Where do you think entire universe originated from?
anyway heres your scan and yea you know honkai energy is just imaginary internal energy so IM not originating from IMS would be nonsensical
 
So you want to go the Infinite Zamasu route where he gained 6D Ap and Dura via UES for fusing with the hyper timeline
HooH is merged the moment they became aeon of equilibrium so eventually wont work “possibly” works if the statement abt HooH merging with IS is too vague to be tiered which im okay with
 
I mean hoyo literally wrote this not me
But if u want it to make more sense it would just go IS>Web of Logic=HooH>physical universe
which means HooH would just downscale from IS as IS is his daddy
How does the Web scale to anything above Real Space. Again, not saying its bound or exists in it, but it’s power—how does that scale above Real Space.

Where do you think masterless img energy comes from?
Where do you think Honkai energy comes from?
Where do you think entire universe originated from?
anyway heres your scan and yea you know honkai energy is just imaginary internal energy so IM not originating from IMS would be nonsensical
Nono. I was using it as proof to show that the statements I said were actually said by you so I wasn’t strawmanning you. Not that I disagree with it coming from IS
 
Can you at least js gimme the proof they scale to Imaginary Space in it’s entirety?
Standards don't demand you to affect the entire H1-C structure to get H1-C.
Characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy higher-dimensional structures that are six to seven uncountably infinite levels above Low 2-C structures. In ordinary distribution, this corresponds to R^10 to R^11 (10 to 11-dimensional real coordinate space)
Aeons affect the tree/Imaginary space significantly as concepts. HooH affects the tree's logic. Ena sepearted reality and imaginary. IX literally exists beyond the tree. Termius as well as four finalities can end the tree. Fuli can recreated the whole tree including finality. Other aeons also should scale to these aeons. I am sure there're other feats beside these but can't think on my mind rn
 
Standards don't demand you to affect the entire H1-C structure to get H1-C.

Aeons affect the tree/Imaginary space significantly as concepts. HooH affects the tree's logic. Ena sepearted reality and imaginary. IX literally exists beyond the tree. Termius as well as four finalities can end the tree. Fuli can recreated the whole tree including finality. Other aeons also should scale to these aeons. I am sure there're other feats beside these but can't think on my mind rn
If this is true and they can affect the tree in its entirety (I'm still new to HSR literally under a week old lmao)

Then I'd see no problem for them being 11D
 
Standards don't demand you to affect the entire H1-C structure to get H1-C.
Yes they do 😭😭😭 otherwise a billion other verses (like LOTM) would get the tier. It’s in fact the whole reason why the compactified shit is a standard otherwise you’d be High 1-C of compactified dimensions.

Aeons affect the tree/Imaginary space significantly as concepts.
Proof for them affecting the Space?

Aeons affect the tree/Imaginary space significantly as concepts. HooH affects the tree's logic. Ena sepearted reality and imaginary. IX literally exists beyond the tree. Termius as well as four finalities can end the tree. Fuli can recreated the whole tree including finality. Other aeons also should scale to these aeons. I am sure there're other feats beside these but can't think on my mind rn
Negative tracking. “Tree” here is just the physical universe. We’ve been over this. And you didn’t disagree.
 
If this is true and they can affect the tree in its entirety (I'm still new to HSR literally under a week old lmao)

Then I'd see no problem for them being 11D
Also me in the OP:
A bit more unrelated, but this is also not the first time that the series contradicts itself. And I want ya’ll to keep it in mind when making the judgment above. This is the description of IT in HSR:

Whereas in Hi3, the Tree is not the universe. In fact, it is the origin of it and is a higher-dimensional membrane/space that exists outside of it that you need to open portals to. So yea, IT does not mean the same thing in both series, at all.
 
Yes they do 😭😭😭 otherwise a billion other verses (like LOTM) would get the tie
Sounds like a their problem

Proof for them affecting the Space?
Affecting the tree = Affecting the space. Don't argue me again about how HSR tree != Hi3 tree. They are the same tree. HSR only hasn't show imaginary space yet but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Path space is likely imaginary space just like how stigmata space is. Path space is also the space where souls can exist just like stigmata space.

Negative tracking. “Tree” here is just the physical universe. We’ve been over this. And you didn’t disagree.
I literally disagreed lol
 
Also me in the OP:
Tree is not the universe??? Otto will be dying in hell if he hears this
"Let us now imagine a tree - the Imaginary Tree."
"A massive tree whose crown cannot be seen, whose canopy of branches and leaves blots out of the sky."
"Imagine it! The Imaginary as the origin of the human race and the seed of civilization!"
"Time flows in the trunk of the Imaginary Tree and branches out into an infinity of worlds."
"Every branch is a form of civilization. Every bud is their past and present etched onto the dimension of time.
Firstly, as you know, the Sea of Quanta is not a real sea. It does not belong on a particular planet, nor is it made of liquid substances like water.
To make it easier to understand, you can liken it to a foundation similar to the Imaginary Tree, a medium that can carry all sorts of parallel universes.
 
Sounds like a their problem
Nice concession.

Affecting the tree = Affecting the space. Don't argue me again about how HSR tree != Hi3 tree. They are the same tree. HSR only hasn't show imaginary space yet but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Path space is likely imaginary space just like how stigmata space is. Path space is also the space where souls can exist just like stigmata space.
Tree is not the universe??? Otto will be dying in hell if he hears this
IN THE SCANS I SENT THE TREE IS CALLED THE ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE. IN HSR ITS JS THE UNIVERSE (Real Space), WHY CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS????

THE SCANS ARE LITERALLY THERE 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
 
IN THE SCANS I SENT THE TREE IS CALLED THE ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE. IN HSR ITS JS THE UNIVERSE, WHY CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS????

THE SCANS ARE LITERALLY THERE
I also gave the scans that say the tree is the universe and the medium that carry parallel worlds lol
Imaginary space is just the realm inside the tree. The base ground that the tree sprouted from. Also nothing in your scans say imaginary tree is the origin of the universe. The only scan that says it is about imaginary space.
"Ultimate truth of life came into being" or whatever isn't the origin of the universe.
 
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