Edo Madara Vs Gerard Valkyrie

[HokageMangaVox]

Edo Madara (No prep)

Vs

Gerard (Starts in Base)

Location: Wahrwelt

Note: Quincy Arrows (Heilig Pfeil) can erase souls from existence, Hollows are Human souls.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

It's probably better to wait until Gerard was defeated so we can know better about the limit of The Miracle.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Yes, but I made the thread first. Also doesn't Madara known sealing techniques?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I don't know about that, but yeah sealing can work to counter the miracle.

 

[GreatestSin]

i go with Madara,

Genjutsu counts as BFR right?

that means Madara would first try to kill him by ordinary ways and see that Gerard revives himself stronger than before, then Madara would use genjutsu and it should one-shot him ^_^ (or he uses the Human Path and absorbs Gerard's soul)

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Genjutsu have many ways for the victim to get out, plus reiatsu users use a Six Sense when fighting they don't use their eyes to see but their reiatsu and Tatsuski a fodder can resist soul sucking as proven in Naruto if your stronger or equal you can't steal your opponents soul. Otherwise Naruto wouldn't had been able to take it back and Madara would had spam it, in the war. ^^ Also is not possible to suck a soul from a soul.

 

[KuuIchigo]

Genjutsu have many ways for the victim to get out, plus reiatsu users use a Six Sense when fighting they don't use their eyes to see but their reiatsu and Tatsuski a fodder can resist soul sucking as proven in Naruto if your stronger or equal you can't steal your opponents soul. Otherwise Naruto wouldn't had been able to take it back and Madara would had spam it, in the war. ^^ Also is not possible to suck a soul from a soul.

Reikaku, right?

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Yes . Or Gerard can just wait inside the Genjutsu until Madara tries to kill him, the pain will disturb the genjutsu and the damage will make Gerard stronger with the Miracle.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Yes . Or Gerard can just wait inside the Genjutsu until Madara tries to kill him, the pain will disturb the genjutsu and the damage will make Gerard stronger with the Miracle.

Lol, but that can work too.

 

[GreatestSin]

Genjutsu have many ways for the victim to get out, plus reiatsu users use a Six Sense when fighting they don't use their eyes to see but their reiatsu and Tatsuski a fodder can resist soul sucking as proven in Naruto if your stronger or equal you can't steal your opponents soul. Otherwise Naruto wouldn't had been able to take it back and Madara would had spam it, in the war. ^^ Also is not possible to suck a soul from a soul.

but genjutsu does not only have the application of creating false images/sounds,

it also allows mind-control like sasuke showed (it brought a shinobi into a hypnosis-like state),

either way, without genjutsu or soul-sucking there is literally nothing that would allow Madara to defeat Gerard, hell, even if we take TTJ-one-Rinnegan-Madara it will only add the TSBs as a possible way to win (since Gerard can't come back from being atomized...at least as far as I can remember)

 

[Kawaru_Shotomata]

Edo Madara (No prep)
Vs

Gerard (Starts in Base)

Location: Wahrwelt

Note: Quincy Arrows (Heilig Pfeil) can erase souls from existence, Hollows are Human souls.

I do not know why you can not wait until Gerard express his full potential?

 

[HokageMangaVox]

I'm waiting....

 

[Primaris_Brian]

cant wait to see how they will deal with ultraman gerard.

 

[Dekoshu]

Gerard has Heilig Bogen and Heilig Pfeil. The Miracle might have not so obvious weaknesses.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

His existence alone is already miracle!

 

[Dekoshu]

Gerard, like Lille Barro, is also realistic. He knows he could make people outnumber him on purpose and by deliberately, not just accidentally, baiting them into inflicting severe damage, sheer brute force becomes even greater, and speed is not inhibited whatsoever by his increases in size. He wouldn't have said those things about miracles if he didn't have that ability to begin with.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

yeah he baiting byakuya to finish him off by making byakuya felt threatened with his miracle.

 

[Dekoshu]

yeah he baiting byakuya to finish him off by making byakuya felt threatened with his miracle.

Here's another thing. Toshiro's flash freezing ability as a mature adult is supposed to negate The Miracle of Gerard, and it still fails. Only his Hoffnung could be affected by the negation.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Here's another thing. Toshiro's flash freezing ability as a mature adult is supposed to negate The Miracle of Gerard, and it still fails. Only his Hoffnung could be affected by the negation.

It's indeed a miracle, also since damage that inflicted on him will be converted into physical size increases for his body, then don't tell me they will beat him by heal him to death xD..

 

[Dekoshu]

After that stunt with Pernida, and if Gerard knew, he probably do something about just going straight to killing the beings "born in darkness", because even Gerard should be wondering why his enemies aren't beng killed more realistically. When he stomps people, they should be crushed into bits of broken bones. When he talks, the decibels alone should damage their hearing forever, and kill them, etc.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Possible ways for Gerard's defeat:

-Yumichika drains him with his Shikai ot Bankai of his Reiatsu.

-Shinji's Bankai turn his opponents abilities to his favor.

-Aizen gets free and makes a Kirohitsugi killing Gerard at a molecular level.

-Gerard gets bigger than the Palace and falls breaking down with the gates which apparently dissapear when Barro when down.

-Hisagi's Bankai rips him as a soul.

-He does a Gremmy on us.

-Tsukishima stabs Gerard's foot we learn about the Soul King past and Gerard turns againts Yhwach which ends up killing him.

 

[Dekoshu]

I want Gerard to get bigger than the palace.

Gerard vs Madara: One of the Greatest Quincy vs The Greatest Uchiha

 

[HokageMangaVox]

I want Gerard to get bigger than the palace.

You mean like this:

 

[Dekoshu]

Yes. They need to use his own size to give him a defeat. If he is the most noble and purest knight, why should be be defeated by defying the miracles of him and an ignoble death. He is virtually immortal. Madara Uchiha is bound to Edo Tensei or Impure World Reincarnation. That means, it's literally the battle of the otherworldly fighters. Gerard Valkyrie had been struck with being cut in half by Kenpachi. Madara was literally undead and couldn't be conveniently sealed so easily.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

^ LOl.. also I just going to post that Picture on bleach forum in my country. xD

 

[HokageMangaVox]

I still wonder how Oetsu kill him , so many things that happen in Bleach which leads me to belive that Kubo makes things as he goes. In the recent chapter he forgot that Yhwach's throne was facing a balcony with lilotto and Giselle dead in the floor not a huge door inside the palace. Can his throne have wheels and move?

 

[Dekoshu]

Somehow, Gerard expected his ability to work, but then Nimaiya did inflict too much damage on him. Yhwach may have powered him up to not stupidly die so quickly again. Also, Yhwach could have manipulated how parts of Wahrwelt would have with deliberate inconsistency.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Didn't Oetsu said that he sword was so deadly that one strike is one killed? Meaning his sword kils you with one shoot, except for Askin who raised his deathdealing but was quickly overcome by it.

 

[GreatestSin]

Yes. They need to use his own size to give him a defeat. If he is the most noble and purest knight, why should be be defeated by defying the miracles of him and an ignoble death. He is virtually immortal. Madara Uchiha is bound to Edo Tensei or Impure World Reincarnation. That means, it's literally the battle of the otherworldly fighters. Gerard Valkyrie had been struck with being cut in half by Kenpachi. Madara was literally undead and couldn't be conveniently sealed so easily.

cant madaras edo tensei form be destroyed if the kunai with the seal that is implated in a edo tenseis body destroyed?

 

[HokageMangaVox]

cant madaras edo tensei form be destroyed if the kunai with the seal that is implated in a edo tenseis body destroyed?

The body becomes paper and reforms again, the Kunai implanted in them cannot be removed, only by the summoner. Iirc.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Madara, he's completely immortal in Edo body and can only be sealed. Gerard hasn't shown sealing abilities. Madara can use 25 susanoo clones followed by genjutsu

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Madara may have and immortal body but his soul isn't, 25 smaller Susan'os which are not even perfect, Genjutsu will be awaist of time as I said above.

 

[Dekoshu]

That means, even if Gerard Valkyrie could overpower Madara, he cannot conveniently stop him unless he could use The Miracle to negate or stop the effects of the immortal body.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Madara may have and immortal body but his soul isn't, 25 smaller Susan'os which are not even perfect, Genjutsu will be awaist of time as I said above.

Madara can simply use genjutsu for incapacitation, the Uchiha are pretty smart in using genjutsu, they don't attack the opponent once they're paralyzed.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

-Genjutsu isn't Infinite, the only one is infinite tsukuyumi.

-Genjutsu can be disrupted by chakra flow or this case Reiatsu, like sensor ninja by using Reikaku Gerard will know he is in a illusion by using the six sense outside the body.

-Inflicting pain on one self can also disrupt Genjutsu.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Well Gerard hasn't shown any telepathic resistance, and why is the mechanism behind genjutsu relevant? By verse equalization it should be regular telepathy. Also what you're mentioning is performed by people who have practised breaking genjutsu, Gerard was never taught to sense flow of reiatsu or anything for telepathic purpose.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Genjutsu only controls the 5 senses, as said in Naruto's lore, sensor ninjas can avoid genjutsu because they can see the change of the flow with reikaku Gerard won't use his eyes so getting into genjutsu in the first place is irrevalant and assuming he gets caught with reikaku he can see throught it, also bursting out Reiatsu (charging) can disrupt it as well.

Edit: Reiatsu flow isn't a thing, spirit threads can also be sense and Gerard knows how to sense Reiatsu, he knew where everyone was during his fights. He was just playing around, he caught Hitsugaya and Byakuya before they could even move and knew that Visored friend of Shinji and the others would attack him from behind.

 

[LucasFCosta]

Madara would easily seal Gerard.

 

[KazarianFahs]

PS-i have no idea,gerard,i just researched a bit on the wiki and the vs profile.

If this guy has no TP resistance feats,eventually madara will resort to genjutsu seeing that his physical moves only make the opponent stronger,and i don't see anyone who has no TP resistance/attack feats breaking out of an MS genjutsu when guys who train to specifically fight MS users get caught in the genjutsu easily.Madara will eventually BFR via GJ since i don't see any soul sealing abilities of Gerard.

And is Gerard like a good guy or bad guy? i mean,if he is a "bad guy"(such stereotype,much wow)Izanami will BFR

 

[Dekoshu]

The problem with that even though Izanami and Izanagi were purposefully kept secret and not foreshadowed much so a million enemies don't know it much, it would rob Madara the use of his usage of his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, had he not obtained his Rinnegan.