You need to prove concept of breast is universal concept for it to be type 2
Uh, no I don't, you're literally just making up a rule. "Such concepts are abstract and govern all reality within their area of influence." is literally the only requirement. The concept in question isn't "Breasts" anyway, it's sexual desire. And it's just common sense that things related to sexual desire would fall under that specific area of influence. (Like how after the concept was removed from Issei, he was unable to enjoy Oppai.) That's literally all the proof I need.
Aren't no way, do you read your own scan?, it is literally said Alphecca Tyrant remove the concept of breast cause issei to lose his sexual desire, what the hell about this is type 2??
Uh, no, you've got it backwards, Alphecca Tyrant sealed the concept of Sexual Desire in Issei which caused him to lose his feelings toward breasts and powers related to them. Literally everything related to the concept was stripped from Issei. And no need to get aggressive brodie, its all love over here.
Bro, it's literally the same in DxD wdym
and doesn't "appeal to reality" only work as a fallacy when there is something present in a fictional setting that suggests it isn't the same as reality? There's literally contrary evidence to your claim so the burden of proof is actually on you to prove that Humans didn't perceive the Dragon in the Book of Revelation as Satan in DxD like how they do in real life, and that the contents of the Bible differ between Reality and DxD. If not, then your point is debunked due to a lack of evidence for your claims.
“There are two dragons called the ‘Red Dragons’. One of them is the ancient dragon from Wales residing in you. Welsh Dragon. The Sekiryuutei
[1]. Hakuryuukou
[2] also comes from the same origin and the same myth. But there is one more ‘Red Dragon’. That is the Red-Dragon which is recorded in Revelation
[3].”
“Revelation……?”
Source: DxD Volume 6
I know Ophis has a shrine, but what can it prove again??
Uh, that beings worship her, the main thing needed in DxD for a God to Resurrect. We know that humans worship the Dragon Gods so there's literally nothing in the series to substantiate any of the claims that you've made toward my points.
“By the way, shouldn’t we have some kind of Temple or Shrine for Ophis-san? She is a Dragon God.”
…like that.
Temple, shrine…?
That’s right. Ophis is known as the Ouroboros Dragon. Well, [Former].
Koneko said while rotating the roulette.
“……Dragons have always been worshipped as gods and as a symbol of power. Even average dragons are more powerful compared to most monsters, so normally they are worshipped as [Dragon God].”
Well that happened, but after Kunou gave a prayer to the shrine, the shrine has finally been completed! Having stood on top of the shrine, Ophis-sama seemed very happy.
Just then, Kunou spoke.
“The ceremony is kept brief, but this should be enough. If we did a full ceremony the power of the shrine would be too strong for you Devils to handle, and so this should be enough.”
Just like Kunou said, I didn’t feel any power that makes my body shiver in fear. If it’s like this, we won’t have any problem having it on top of our roof.
Akeno-san just then thought of something and she opened her mouth.
“Ufufu, for the celebration of shrine’s construction, shall we make a wish to Phis?”
Oh, that sounds fun!
Just like that, we gave our prayer to our Dragon-God, Ophis-sama!
“Oh, Phis-dono! Have you returned from the shrine on the rooftop
[8]?”
“Sunbathing, done.”
Oh, from time to time, Ophis goes to the miniature shrine that was built specifically for her on the rooftop. She really likes sunbathing up there.
Everyone here also goes there occasionally to visit, and puts some money into the donation box. This is treated as pocket money for Ophis to spend. I looked at Ophis, and muttered quietly.
, Great Red is...currently permanently dead, just because there is more volumes, the story still not finished, and there is a probably he could come back in the future, doesn't mean anything, the absence of evidence isn't always a supporting evidences
What is your evidence that he's permanently dead? I've shown evidence that he's able to resurrect. We both know that he's dead now but there's nothing to imply that it's permanent. And besides, wouldn't everyone and everything in DxD be gone since his existence is tied to the DG? If Great Red was gone permanently, don't you think it's a tiiiiiiiiiiny bit strange that something like that hasn't happened yet?
The hell man?, so you suggested that everything that is not tangible is abstraction??, my argument isn't disingenuous since your argument that dream is abstraction simply come from your personal logic that dream must be something abstract, hell you even argue it to be a literal concept. And your comparison to human breath air on earth is a false equipvalent.
Uh, no, my argument wasn't that something being not tangible makes it an abstraction, it was being a non tangible, metaphysical idea. Something that doesn't materially exist, please don't twist my words man. And I don't think my comparison is a false equivalent either. Some things are just presupposed to be true because of the absence of evidence against it. Like I said before with the Appeal to Reality thing, if there's no reason to assume X differs from Y, then we don't assume that they are different. Until you can provide evidence against what I said rather than "You're wrong because I said so", my claims are still held high by my mountains of evidence.
Just no, we don't make a thread and then claim that X is self-evident and thus is abstract concept simply it sound like one
Uh, presuppositions exist. Not everything is presupposed but in the absence of conflicting evidence, that's kinda what you have to do. That's called an Axiom. Supposing that X would differ from Y however with no evidence, or reason to assume so however is fallacious.
Nothing say that other than your claim which isn't in the scans, scans only said her power is infinity and she is invincible, others just talking about her titles as dragon god of infinity
That's just not true though, I provided numerous scans stating far more than just that.
For example, in the Dragons AE section, there is a very clear statement that Dragons embody specific concepts with Crom Cruach being a prime example. And in Ophis' section, you will find that she is stated to represent/personify/embody (similar wording to Crom) Infinity several times. SS4, SS6, SS14, and SS15 are all examples of this. And her existence is said to be Infinity itself numerous times as well (SS7, SS8, SS Second to Last), one of the axioms of my argument is that Infinity is by it's very nature, a metaphysical, abstract concept, so embodying it along with having the Resurrection/Immortality required for AE T2 would be enough to qualify for the abilitiy. And being able to manipulate it which is also shown in the screenshots that I provided is enough evidence for CM.
I forgot the True DxD part, so i appologize for this
No problem.
That, not how we do thing
I mean, I wouldn't ask you to prove that 1 + 1 = 2. Or that the year is 2024 currently. And I don't think any staff members would either since that's just a fact. Not exactly an opinion or something that can be argued.
, also there is non-qualifying concepts such as nominalism, idealism.
Which are unrelated to anything presented in my CRT. Not sure why you feel the need to bring that up. If you mean to say that Dreams or Imagination are just nominal concepts, that's kinda silly to even want to argue.
In order for one to qualify as literal concepts, it must be an abstract concept, idea that can impact physical reality, and govern something in reality. Do you even have proof that dream and infinity can actually impact physical reality?
Uh, yeah, I literally provided them in the original post. for Ophis SS 9 and 12 are good examples. Ophis' Infinity made Issei's life force infinite, and in DxD, Life Force (or Ki) is a tangible thing that can be interacted with. (Ex: Sairaorg, Ouryuu, Shirone.) Also, Infinity was stated to be the only thing capable of making the production of Plate Mails and Evil Dragons Infinite.
For Great Red, the second screenshot is a good example, Issei while connected to Great Red dreams of sending Ascalon to Yuuto, and in reality, that's what happpens. Same with Issei reassuring the kids in the dream, and the kids feeling reassured IRL, and Issei using Dream (Answer) to create weapons for AxA.
And it's kinda weird that you'd ask for evidence when it was there this entire time, did you not read what was in the op fully or did you just glance through? I'd understand if you had some misunderstandings due to not reading what was sent, but please do so next time. It'd make things a lot easier and more productive if there weren't misunderstandings between us, to promote better communication and such.
, altering these supposed concepts as you arguing them to be, alter reality itself??, or at least what they govern?
Yes, when Ophis uses Infinity, she can choose to make something in reality, Infinite. (Infinite Power, Infinite Plate Mails, Infinite Life Force) When Great Red uses Dream, he can choose to make Dreams into reality. (Issei's affirmations to children, Ascalon, AxA weapons)
I just realized that I spent an hour typing this lol.
