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Dreams are already sort of accepted as universes, the problem was determining the actual number.
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Dream Stone Re-Upgrade CRT
- Thread starter Foxthefox1000
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Let's just use this method and apply the changes already.
I mean, a couple members including myself don't seem to have a problem with this method after all.
Dust_Collector
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We can't use that without, y'know, proof.
JJ said he didn't record himself when he made the count, we need scans to justify those numbers.
JJ said he didn't record himself when he made the count, we need scans to justify those numbers.
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Let's use this, then.
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Again, please stop trying to rush the thread to conclusion. Accuracy will always be most important compared to just trying to get the thread done ASAP
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I'm not trying to rush anything; I'm just trying to bring everyone to an agreement for a single method on finding the number of universes.
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It seems we’ve reached an impasse and someone will have to, buy a 3DS capture or take hundreds of pictures throughout their playthrough to find an answer.
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Does anyone here have a 3DS, then?
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I have a 3DS and I have Dream Team
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I do too, that’s how I got my count to begin with.
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You feel like doing it again?
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Don’t really have proper recording equipment beyond sticking my phone camera in front of the 3DS, and with how many times new enemies spawn in during the battles potentially, not sure that’s the best idea.
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Well, do you have any equipment to take pictures with?
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That requires hundreds, potentially over a thousand pictures
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Do you have any proper recoding equipment? Maybe the two of you could find out how many NPCs there are together?
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I swear to you I am not lying about these figures, I can even post the rest of the notes I had.
Mario Dreams: Broggy, Broque Monsieur, 3 Toads, Toadsworth, Peach, Mario, Luigi=10
18 at the landing site, 33 at circle 1, 33 circle 2, 23 at quiz, 7 circle 3, 10 circle 4, 3 in first Gromba battle area, 53 in next circle, 10 after that=190 before entering castle, 200 total
Inside castle, first room=16, second room 8, third room 8, fourth room 3, 13 Grombas, 37 Grombas, 1 block, 9 grombas, 2 Toads, 5 after Toads, 4, 7, 8, 10, 7, 17, 6, 3=164
Dream Stone made infinite coins?
Under castle: 18
Mushrise: 223
Bowser’s Castle: 228
Bowser’s Castle Bombs: Infinitely spawning+35+63
Ending: 50
Dozing Sands: 232
Elite Trio+Kamek: 4
Wakeport: 205
Driftwood Shore: 225
Somnom Woods: 660
Mole Hunt: 72
52 Pi’illos
Castle exterior: 67
Dreamy Marios: 100
Pajamaja: 104+Monolifts in Mammoshka fight
Dreambeats Scene: 102
Post island destruction: 10
Cutscenes: 74/111+10
Luiginoids: (infinitely spawning, 150 at a time).
15*150 for giant battles
Constellations: 150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+450+150+300+450+300+600+300+300+150+450+750
Pictures: 13
Luiginary Works: 200
Cutscenes Dream: 15+480
15 Finishing Bros.+3 Star Driver
Two people on one Dreampoint can have same dream, dream worlds can belong to one individual,
Zeekeeper alt dimensions: 2
Bros. Attack Tutorials: Infinitely spawning enemies*16
Mad Skillathon: (infinite respawn)/ 231+254+75+250+270+120+5
Broque Madame Dream: 162+160+160+160+162+162+159+162+160+163+163+161+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+750
Battle Ring: (1+30+2+30+37+21+200+10+35)*2+25
Giant Battle Ring: (7+42+30+24+30+24+7+60+30+6+24+30+6+7+30+60+30+8+5+1+2) * 2
Dreamy Bowser Castle: 1+20+21+21+20+16+30+18+30+23+19+20+25+14+31+10+81+31+15+16+31+29+19+20+11+23+22+16+13+12+21+11+16+21+13+22+7+42+30+24+30+24+7+60+30+6+24+30+6+7+30+60+30+8
Antasmunchies: 35
Bowser’s dreams potentially equal to all the others due to being a higher hierarchy?
Dream World tally: 4897 or 4901+60+1
Mario Dreams: Broggy, Broque Monsieur, 3 Toads, Toadsworth, Peach, Mario, Luigi=10
18 at the landing site, 33 at circle 1, 33 circle 2, 23 at quiz, 7 circle 3, 10 circle 4, 3 in first Gromba battle area, 53 in next circle, 10 after that=190 before entering castle, 200 total
Inside castle, first room=16, second room 8, third room 8, fourth room 3, 13 Grombas, 37 Grombas, 1 block, 9 grombas, 2 Toads, 5 after Toads, 4, 7, 8, 10, 7, 17, 6, 3=164
Dream Stone made infinite coins?
Under castle: 18
Mushrise: 223
Bowser’s Castle: 228
Bowser’s Castle Bombs: Infinitely spawning+35+63
Ending: 50
Dozing Sands: 232
Elite Trio+Kamek: 4
Wakeport: 205
Driftwood Shore: 225
Somnom Woods: 660
Mole Hunt: 72
52 Pi’illos
Castle exterior: 67
Dreamy Marios: 100
Pajamaja: 104+Monolifts in Mammoshka fight
Dreambeats Scene: 102
Post island destruction: 10
Cutscenes: 74/111+10
Luiginoids: (infinitely spawning, 150 at a time).
15*150 for giant battles
Constellations: 150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+150+450+150+300+450+300+600+300+300+150+450+750
Pictures: 13
Luiginary Works: 200
Cutscenes Dream: 15+480
15 Finishing Bros.+3 Star Driver
Two people on one Dreampoint can have same dream, dream worlds can belong to one individual,
Zeekeeper alt dimensions: 2
Bros. Attack Tutorials: Infinitely spawning enemies*16
Mad Skillathon: (infinite respawn)/ 231+254+75+250+270+120+5
Broque Madame Dream: 162+160+160+160+162+162+159+162+160+163+163+161+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+151+750
Battle Ring: (1+30+2+30+37+21+200+10+35)*2+25
Giant Battle Ring: (7+42+30+24+30+24+7+60+30+6+24+30+6+7+30+60+30+8+5+1+2) * 2
Dreamy Bowser Castle: 1+20+21+21+20+16+30+18+30+23+19+20+25+14+31+10+81+31+15+16+31+29+19+20+11+23+22+16+13+12+21+11+16+21+13+22+7+42+30+24+30+24+7+60+30+6+24+30+6+7+30+60+30+8
Antasmunchies: 35
Bowser’s dreams potentially equal to all the others due to being a higher hierarchy?
Dream World tally: 4897 or 4901+60+1
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Can we use this?
Dust_Collector
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Listen I don't doubt the man but we cannot just take a calculation for the number of universes that has nothing, no scans or anything, that justify the numbers.
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sigh We're never gonna finish this f***ing thread, are we?
Alright, does anyone else here have a 3DS with the game?
Do you guys still feel up to it?
ZespeonGalaxy
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Someone will have to watch through possibly tens or hours worth of dream team walkthrough's or lets plays. Sure people are dedicated to this thread but also while people have jobs or other responsibilities. It will be not easy, point is it will be a huge time consuming task, that will be a slow one. I guess I can look through dream team lp's/wt's to look over 4987 universes. Possibly less or more.
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lord have mercy
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Why don't we just use the number for the island with the smallest population (100,000) like Clover said and end it here?
ZespeonGalaxy
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Again, if theres a scan or video proof than sure.
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There weren't any scans used for this, though.
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Possible Marioverse A.P. Upgrade
Alright, just to notify you all right off the bat, this upgrade applies to Dreamy Bowser, Zeekeeper, and Antasma w/ the Dark Stone. I'm going to quote a friend of mine real quick. "The Dream Stone is made up of multiple dreams, likely from all the citizens of at least P'ilo Island, if not the...
Dust_Collector
They/Them- 7,064
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That was made in 2016 (Most people didn't use scans for upgrades back then) and it being accepted despite it having nothing to really back it up does not justify it happening again.There weren't any scans used for this, though.
Possible Marioverse A.P. Upgrade
Alright, just to notify you all right off the bat, this upgrade applies to Dreamy Bowser, Zeekeeper, and Antasma w/ the Dark Stone. I'm going to quote a friend of mine real quick. "The Dream Stone is made up of multiple dreams, likely from all the citizens of at least P'ilo Island, if not the...
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Why can't we just use a single method that's been mentioned in this thread without scans?
Dust_Collector
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If people wanna use the 100,000 population method than that's fine, would only need a link to any kind of article that brings up that number.
If we don't use that and need other methods, we gotta get scans.
If we don't use that and need other methods, we gotta get scans.
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You mean this link?
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I don’t care if we count NPCs or use the population of the lowest-population island atp
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Then we can use this?
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I feel like the 100,000 statistic might be outdated, considering there are islands with a population of 47
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Then we could just place the tiering for the Dream Stone at something like "At least 2-C, likely 2-B".
StretchSebe
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According to Wikipedia, there are about 730 million people on all the world's islands, or about 9% of the population. They count only those with 100,000 people, which is likely where the outdated statistic came from.
Also according to wikipedia, on islands: 'There are about 900,000 official islands in the world. This number consists of all the officially-reported islands of each country. The total number of islands in the world is unknown.'
The mean would be about 811 people per island, though that's obviously unusuable: Finding a true mean is incredibly unlikely given the sheer number of nearly a million islands to consider, and like JJ pointed out, there are probably a lot of islands with incredibly low populations. It doesn't seem possible to have good data on a real world 'average population' for an island like we could with cities or countries.
The closest I could find was a biogeography paper from January 18, 2023 that analyzed 486 islands to come to an average population of 6988 individuals. Unfortunately, it is behind a paywall: The statistic it found is provided in a statement by Google as a 'featured snippet' on the topic. The fact remains that a study with almost 500 islands still isn't coming close to representing the almost one million islands that are known.
Also according to wikipedia, on islands: 'There are about 900,000 official islands in the world. This number consists of all the officially-reported islands of each country. The total number of islands in the world is unknown.'
The mean would be about 811 people per island, though that's obviously unusuable: Finding a true mean is incredibly unlikely given the sheer number of nearly a million islands to consider, and like JJ pointed out, there are probably a lot of islands with incredibly low populations. It doesn't seem possible to have good data on a real world 'average population' for an island like we could with cities or countries.
The closest I could find was a biogeography paper from January 18, 2023 that analyzed 486 islands to come to an average population of 6988 individuals. Unfortunately, it is behind a paywall: The statistic it found is provided in a statement by Google as a 'featured snippet' on the topic. The fact remains that a study with almost 500 islands still isn't coming close to representing the almost one million islands that are known.
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It's gonna come down to one method, so we gotta decide between the two. We can either use an island's population or spend several hours of counting the NPCs in the game while keeping the thread in Limbo.
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Would take a little longer than the other method.
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I disagree. The statistic is as of 2022, and the 47 statistic is iffy because it's using "island" very loosely. Some of these could be peninsulas or the like
ZespeonGalaxy
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better than inaccuracy tbh
Kirbonic_Pikmin
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Why are we counting creatures that exist within Dream Worlds as counting towards the Dream tally? I’m pretty sure the Dream beats only affected things in the real world when it occurred unless I’m forgetting something
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Yeah, the Dreambeats only affected those in the real world so I believe only those should be counted
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