-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Dragon Ball Z Multipliers Revision
- Thread starter Dark649
- Start date
-
- Tags
- dragon ball multipliers
- Status
- 31,192
- 33,823
We only use one for Canon Dragon Ball, the other only applied to Toeiverse for filler, movie, and GT continuuity. Don't get the two mixed up @Jobbo.
- 1,633
- 178
Yeah, common misconception is that the King Vegeta feat of blowing up 3 planets in a handwave is canon
- 30,958
- 27,009
Goku reacted to Cell's Kamehameha that left Earth's atmosphere, right? Maybe that could be calced?
- 9,975
- 2,011
With no stated speed we can't calculate that, any other attemp would be considered calc stacking.Damage3245 said:
- 31,192
- 33,823
@Jobbo, it uses 10x Earth's mass, but uses identical volume to Earth. We know it's 10 G's, but we don't know exact diameter of Vegeta in canon, so we go by same size as Earth, but make the density 10x greater.
- 5,141
- 290
Tell that to the profileDarkDragonMedeus said:
Both are linked to Frieza's canon profile
And actually the current canon scaing uses Frieza's Supernova speed with an unknown-font-size (Like, I tried to check the link, but I could find anything)
- 30,958
- 27,009
Well, if we calced the speed then all we could say is "Goku reacted to an attack that calced to be this fast".Antoniofer said:
It'd be something at least.
Right now I'm not sure how to feel about almost all the speed in DBZ being based on a single feat.
- 9,975
- 2,011
I think is based in two feats, the Piccolo one and the Frieza one, there's another one in Buu Saga but it do not surpass SoL.
- 5,141
- 290
Why?Jobbo said:
Stefano4444
He/Him- 6,179
- 5,285
Agree with everything expect the MFTL part.Promestein said:
Already 100% Frieza and SSj1 Goku are currently ranked at FTL+, the jump to actual MFTL isn't a big stretch, not of someone like Perfect Cell or Far Buu.
Even with the 3 option MFTL was been archived by Kaioken 20x Goku and 50% Frieza.
- 5,141
- 290
Attempted to, but barely got Sub-Rel+ with a weird assumption (Krillin was falling to ground during the attack so I assumed the Kamehameha made the distance before Krillin fell) and just MHS+ using anime-timeframeDamage3245 said:
- 30,958
- 27,009
What is the Buu Saga feat?Antoniofer said:
Stefano4444
He/Him- 6,179
- 5,285
Probably Gotenks flying across the world multiple times over.Damage3245 said:
- 9,975
- 2,011
@Damage, Gotenks circling earth in less than 10 m. Although, it also works as "anti-feat" for Piccolo since he was unable to keep with him.
- 1,633
- 178
Dragonball characters only became FTL through the introduction of Dyspo
ovo
ovo
- 30,958
- 27,009
Well... wouldn't that suggest that their combat speed may be Relativistic or FTL, but their travel speed is way, way less than that? Perhaps that's worth looking into.
It would also make sense in Namek Saga considering how none of them circle the globe at the speed of light, and takes several minutes to fly anywhere.
It would also make sense in Namek Saga considering how none of them circle the globe at the speed of light, and takes several minutes to fly anywhere.
- 21,390
- 2,978
Gotenks flying around wasn't hard for him. That's like downplaying Beerus to planet because he destroyed a planet and that's an antifeat to him doing the universal stuff.
Stefano4444
He/Him- 6,179
- 5,285
Either we do that (like how lifting strength < striking strength) or we start to ignored travel speed all together due be so underwhelming compare with attack speed, combat speed and reactions.Damage3245 said:
- 30,958
- 27,009
It was just said a few posts up that it was an antifeat for Piccolo, not Gotenks.DragonEmperor23 said:
- 8,427
- 3,144
How?Jobbo said:
- 9,975
- 2,011
@Warren, cuz Frieza and allies weren't localized in the other side of the planet, they were just a few kilometers from the ship where Goku was localized, he even mentioned it.
- 15,682
- 11,828
I prefer option 2.
- 15,682
- 11,828
@Dark649
I'd say remove it.
I'd say remove it.
- 9,975
- 2,011
Remind me why is the Frieza calc no longer usable?
- 31,192
- 33,823
Which Frieza calc? The old 1.7 Tenaton feat is currently usable for now, but I think we aren't using the 0.25c speed feat since we got a better one. Even Raditz has the 0.14c speed feat that scales to everyone and with characters being overwhelmingly faster.
- 9,975
- 2,011
I was refering to the speed one.
So, are we reduced to one single calc again?
So, are we reduced to one single calc again?
- 4,143
- 571
I don't agree with any of this.It is not like my opinion matters much but I don't approve jumping form 1.7 tenatons to 1200 tenatons or from 0.14c to 224 with no feats at all.
This is ridiculous.
This is ridiculous.
Stefano4444
He/Him- 6,179
- 5,285
Unless we count Master Roshi's Moon busting feat as valid and no longer an outlier, then yes.Antoniofer said:
But i'm pretty sure this was always the case, everyone's speed had always been scaled from Piccolo's feat.
- 1,633
- 178
Roshi's moonbusting was his full power and we know charged moves are way stronger than their regular attacks, though i'm not advocating for it not being an outlier
- 9,738
- 1,523
- Thread starter
- #80
Kep told me that Roshi feat was calced at Planet level. Relativistic, said Roshi is weaker than Old Piccolo, who is inferior to his Younger State, which was killed by Post Water Kid Goku, the latter is weaker to 23┬░ Budokai Yamcha, Tao Pai Pai and Tien, who are much weaker to Kami, 23┬░ Budokai Goku and Piccolo.
- Status
Similar threads
