Dragon ball (you might wanna read this)

[Therefir]

In the anime they were destroying planets, stars and galaxies, and is stated multiple times that they are going to destroy the universe, in the manga this is never stated, and they merely shocked the universe (Which is a good feat).

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

I'm pretty sure zamasu states he is going to destroy parallel worlds

 

[Antoniofer]

I'm pretty sure zamasu states he is going to destroy parallel worlds

Overtime, something that makes it unquantificable.

 

[Golden_Void]

What in the name of make believe?

They destroyed planets and disrupted stars. Destroying galaxies is make believe. Either form of destruction pales in comparison to universe destroying power.

Jeopardy means danger of loss, harm, or failure. In this context the first two make the most sense.

Then you have Champa and Beerus saying they don't care about the universe anymore while charging up this attack, which is the same attack that Beerus used on Goku, which he defeated.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if there are too big problems determining a tier for DBS manga Goku, perhaps we should avoid the profile after all?

 

[Antoniofer]

I wouldn't compare a fight between Beerus and Champa with a fight between a restrained Beerus vs SSG Goku, even now Beerus needs to hold back a lot in order to have a fair match with SSB Vegeta. Futhermore, GoDs are 3-A in manga, reason why M. Zamasu was badly stomped by Vegetto.

 

[Golden_Void]

Maybe we should use our original rule and wait until the ToP is over for the manga. It seems to be heavily rushed anyway.

 

[Therefir]

Several characters in DB have said that they can destroy the universe, and shaking the universe is enough to say that the universe is in danger.

Champa and Beerus in the manga can certainly destroy the universe, but considering even Vegeta completed ssj blue is one-shotted by Beerus, I don't think they can scale right now.

 

[Antoniofer]

Neh, manga ToP is just taking apart the jobbers, but it will be shorter since UIO wouldn't appears there, I even dare to say that Kefla wouldn't be in there, butbthat is speculation.

Anyway, M. Zamasu would never appear again, so a profile of him wouldn't cause any other revision.

 

[Golden_Void]

The anime has the Saiyans weaker than Beerus until the ToP. Such a restriction only applies to Vegeta now, so how is getting one-shotted by Beerus any indication of an inaccuracy?

 

[Bluetrekking]

@Antonio

If the fixed version of the calc is right, that would make M. Zamasu's claim of destroying the galaxy less of a hyperbole.

He would also be MFTL+

 

[Golden_Void]

I just remembered, Champa and Beerus were about to casually universe bust. Shin (U7 kaioshin) said Vegito Blue were already past Beerus in power. After they defused and got beat to death by Zamasu, Trunks remembered he had assistant to the kaioshin healing powers, and opted to heal Vegeta, who told him to heal Goku, since he was the only one capable of going head to head with Fused Zamasu.

Then Goku completes the SSB form and destroys Zamasu, though he used Mai as a shield before he could hakai Zamasu.

Which would mean apart from the universal feat he already had as an SSG, CSSB Goku should be near the power of Beerus.

All of the relevant scans are show here

The only reason Goku didn't win sooner is because Zamasu's regen allowed him to refresh his body.

 

[Jobbo]

Shin's statement isn't reliable at all. And even if Vegetto had reached Beerus level, Goku is still nowhere close since Vegetto was casually stomping Zamasu whereas Goku was barely putting up a fight. Furthermore, there's the fact that Vegeta who shouldn't be much weaker than Goku got oneshotted by a serious Beerus.

 

[Golden_Void]

Vegeta admits himself he isn't capable of fighting Zamasu, and he realized this as Vegito. Goku was destroying Zamasu repeatedly and would've done so sooner if he couldn't regenerate, so he wasn't barely doing anything, especially since he forced Zamasu to use full power.

"Furthermore, there's the fact that Vegeta who shouldn't be much weaker than Goku got oneshotted by a serious Beerus."

Not a fact.

 

[Jobbo]

What part of that is not a fact? Vegeta obtained the same form as Goku and then immediately got obliterated once Beerus got serious.

 

[Golden_Void]

Just rechecked. In any case they should be far above the Goku vs Beerus feats, and stronger than full power Zamasu who was going to galaxy bust.

 

[Antoniofer]

@UMR, care to check the calculation that Therefir posted, if the new version is good, anyone above SSG Goku will be 3-B

 

[Golden_Void]

Where? I only saw the calc above that looked like it was 99.999% 3-C.

 

[Bluetrekking]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Bluetrekking/Fastest_DB_speed_feat

Can anyone confirm if this calc is acceptable? It would scale to almost everyone.

 

[Golden_Void]

I replied to that months ago hmm

 

[Bluetrekking]

So it's usable? Nice.

 

[Antoniofer]

The feat was calced here but using only 4 galaxies.

Here, I recalculated using the observable universe radius, and got 3-C+; but since I don't known what the OC (original calculator) did, I may be wrong.

 

[Jobbo]

What I'm wondering is if Beerus could easily oneshot some other GoDs like he did to Vegeta, considering he said Vegeta could be a GoD candidate for another universe. Going off the fight in the manga, it seems they're all close enough in power to damage each other.

 

[Bluetrekking]

I understand what the OC did.

They found the energy that caused the Kaioshin planet to shake (since it was at the edge of the AoE of the shockwave) and scaled it to the remainder of the radius.

 

[Golden_Void]

Goku watching the gods fight

 

[Jobbo]

Exactly, not only do they all seem fairly close in power they're also clearly vastly above Goku and Vegeta. Beerus must have been talking about someone like Toppo.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

You know the DBS anime also has Gregory, who is non canon. I'd also like to ask a friend of mine told me that blue Goku would be low 2-C because he destroyed Hit's pocket dimension. I just wanted know the reasons why this "feat" is false.

 

[Jobbo]

There's no evidence of the pocket dimension being universe sized.

 

[Antvasima]

So what are the conclusions here?

 

[Jobbo]

The scaling is certainly different between the mediums, and there's some differences in abilities as well. I don't think we've decided what pages should be created, but Goku and Zamasu are a good bet.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[AKM sama]

@Therefir

You are just repeating the same arguments from the last thread.

 

[AKM sama]

>in the manga this is never stated

"The entire universe will be destroyed" is not the same as a throwaway "threat to the universe" statement.

 

[Therefir]

You do not know what a hyperbole is, right?

 

[AKM sama]

And you threw away the entire context.

The DBS scan is referring to the direct side effects of their fight which is an immediate danger.

The DBZ scan can be interpreted in several other ways, in this case, over time destruction.

 

[Therefir]

A 4-B FTL will never destroy the universe, and Old Kai saying that already discredits his statement.

 

[AKM sama]

Yes he can, given enough time which he has got plenty of.

 

[Therefir]

No, the universe will die before that happens.

Not that I care about this anyway, at first all I wanted to know was how much energy was needed to shake the universe like Goku and Beerus.

 

[AKM sama]

"No, the universe will die before that happens."

Which is a hypothesis according to real life science. Idk why you are bringing this up in fiction, especially DB when it doesn't even remotely care about the lifespan of the universe.

 

[Jobbo]

Buu could easily cover the observable universe well before the heat death occurs. You don't even need to be FTL to do it.