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Dragon Ball Xenoverse possible Revisions
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Many infinite hints actually. The statement from the time patrol warrior. In fact, 16 implied they already exist etc
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Well I'll be going to sleep very soon. I hope this thread gets more replies tommorrow.
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From what I can gather, none of these warrant a 2-B rating, just a higher end of 2-C
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@BruceTheBatman
Why though? Demigra very explicitly stated that he controlled all of time and space after absorbing Toki Toki who manipulates time on its own.
And Mira's usage of the time passport created myriads of timelines and as proven with its definition myriad is 10,000 and it said myriads.
I will try to find the scan in a moment.
Why though? Demigra very explicitly stated that he controlled all of time and space after absorbing Toki Toki who manipulates time on its own.
And Mira's usage of the time passport created myriads of timelines and as proven with its definition myriad is 10,000 and it said myriads.
I will try to find the scan in a moment.
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+toki toki having enough power to restore the multiverse and Demigra absorbed him+Toki being the embodiment of time
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Toki Toki didn't restore the multiverse, he just let the Future Warrior travel back to before Demigra did anything.
And no, myriad is not 10,000, it's just a number meaning "a lot".
And no, myriad is not 10,000, it's just a number meaning "a lot".
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here is the myriads scan in question. It was translated in Kanzenshu (I think it's written that way i dunno.)
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The 10,000 thing for myriad is an Ancient Greek numeral unit that has long since fallen in ostracism. The modern term for myriad means "an indefinitely large and/or innumerable number of things".
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Innumerable and indefinitely large has been repeatedly used for many 2-B characters in the past. If anything it probably is more than 10,000 in this case.
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Well. You can disagree with that, but he's still the embodiment of time via the scans above. And what Julian said about myriad
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It probably IS more than 10,000, but using the word "myriad" to prove this is fallacious. "Myriad" is an ancient greek system that translates to "ten thousand", but that system has been long since forgotten. The modern term for myriad refers to a really, really large number, but unquantifiably so.
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I see absolutely nothing that implies Toki Toki is the embodiment of time.
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Well the scan still uses that word and there are other synonyms for that word such as boundless and countless as it was stated in the dictionary definition. And like you said it definitely refers to a really large number. I'm pretty sure I can count 1,000 at the very least.
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They are definitely 2-B, yeah, but not exactly 10,000 2-B
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I agree with you on that part. Also it should be noted that the scan said myriads on plural.
I agree with you on that part. Also it should be noted that the scan said myriads on plural.
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Read the scans I posted. He has done so much to prove he is and the things done to him caused history and time to be affected
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Nice! i agree
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Well I'll be going to sleep for now. Let's see how this turns out by tommorrow.
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The amount of timelines is massive. Infinite technically. We know there are "infinte" possible timelines from a time pattroler themself, who know about time travel and timelines as it is there job.
https://imgur.com/a/aFqoR
If that isn't enough, we know all the possibilities form there own timelines, since Trunks states in manga that the very smallest changes result in many actual timelines being made. Also in Super it's confirmed yet again that the possible outcomes result in timelines being made for said possible outcomes like where Beerus makes new timelines by killing Zamasu for both possible outcomes, one with, and one without him.
https://imgur.com/a/0FNKN
https://imgur.com/a/S38P4
Oh, and Cell states this again that there are "endless" timelines in SB, which again is a synonum used for infinte.
https://imgur.com/J9flgps
So 2-B is lowball, 2-A is honestly more accurate. But at minimum 2-B should be used if we ignore the evidence for 2-A.
Also technically every scroll is an alternate timeline with 12 macroc ausms, so yeah, jsut counting the amount we can see in the vault is 2-B. Also the PQ are all timeline fragements, each a seperate history to with said structures.
https://imgur.com/a/aFqoR
If that isn't enough, we know all the possibilities form there own timelines, since Trunks states in manga that the very smallest changes result in many actual timelines being made. Also in Super it's confirmed yet again that the possible outcomes result in timelines being made for said possible outcomes like where Beerus makes new timelines by killing Zamasu for both possible outcomes, one with, and one without him.
https://imgur.com/a/0FNKN
https://imgur.com/a/S38P4
Oh, and Cell states this again that there are "endless" timelines in SB, which again is a synonum used for infinte.
https://imgur.com/J9flgps
So 2-B is lowball, 2-A is honestly more accurate. But at minimum 2-B should be used if we ignore the evidence for 2-A.
Also technically every scroll is an alternate timeline with 12 macroc ausms, so yeah, jsut counting the amount we can see in the vault is 2-B. Also the PQ are all timeline fragements, each a seperate history to with said structures.
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The reason why we deny 2-A is because:
1. Cell isn't really an authority on this.
2. Hakkyo was talking about the fact that there was an infinite amount of possible timelines. That doesn't mean they all existed up until then; he is just talking about the fact that they grow infinitely.
1. Cell isn't really an authority on this.
2. Hakkyo was talking about the fact that there was an infinite amount of possible timelines. That doesn't mean they all existed up until then; he is just talking about the fact that they grow infinitely.
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"Beerus makes new timelines by killing Zamasu for both possible outcomes, one with, and one without him."
That's not what happens though. Beerus killing Zamasu would have time paradoxed Goku Black out of existence if he wasn't wearing a Time Ring. It didn't create a new timeline.
That's not what happens though. Beerus killing Zamasu would have time paradoxed Goku Black out of existence if he wasn't wearing a Time Ring. It didn't create a new timeline.
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I don't know where we got the "the manga is non-canon" fest from. It has direct input from Toriyama, and the Super anime staff said they take it into account.
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Because the manga is an adaptation of the anime, which has been said repeatedly.
Also because the manga sucks.
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Doesn't that scan come from the original DBZ manga? Which precedes DBS?
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Beerus destroying Zamasu created a timeline where he wasn't destroyed.The Everlasting said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGSt2v_froI
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I'm sure someone has made attempts to discredit this DBZ scan. v.vRyukama said:
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1. Cell is a genius android who knows time travel and has done it and can use the time machiene. Is there any actual proof he is wrong, or are we just gonna assume he is without a reasonable reason to ignore him. I don't see a reson to doubt him, he is not stupid or ignorant on the topic and nothing suggests he is wrong. Also the author would put that in tehre for a reason.
2. Hakkyo says History can take an infinite number of paths, and that you lose track of what the right version is supposed to be. This would imply that said paths already exist if you can lose track of them, and all the possible paths become actual realities as confirmed by Trunks and Whis. So I would say they do exist based on the context of being able to lose track of them in the past tense, and the fact every possible outcome makes a reality, of which there are infinte. We have the same deal with Saint Seiya and it was upgraded to 2-A, infinite possibilities that exist, in fact they say only 1 reality is actually made from them yet they still got 2-A.
https://i.imgur.com/duHcBo8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7LNuBQv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uzAUzI7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/L8kdoBN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZPrPony.jpg
In DB we know all possible realities are made real, and you can currently lose track of them to, meaning they have already deviated and exist.
2. Hakkyo says History can take an infinite number of paths, and that you lose track of what the right version is supposed to be. This would imply that said paths already exist if you can lose track of them, and all the possible paths become actual realities as confirmed by Trunks and Whis. So I would say they do exist based on the context of being able to lose track of them in the past tense, and the fact every possible outcome makes a reality, of which there are infinte. We have the same deal with Saint Seiya and it was upgraded to 2-A, infinite possibilities that exist, in fact they say only 1 reality is actually made from them yet they still got 2-A.
https://i.imgur.com/duHcBo8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7LNuBQv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uzAUzI7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/L8kdoBN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZPrPony.jpg
In DB we know all possible realities are made real, and you can currently lose track of them to, meaning they have already deviated and exist.
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Just going to say this for now.
Even if Toki Toki restored the Multiverse, wouldnt he have done that via time hax? Thats the impression im getting so correct me if wrong. If im right, thats literally no different than Clockwork from Ben 10 doing the same thing and even he isn't anything higher than 9-B.
If we rejected Clockwork being tier 2 at all, much less 2-A because of time hax, the same should happen here for Toki Toki.
Even if Toki Toki restored the Multiverse, wouldnt he have done that via time hax? Thats the impression im getting so correct me if wrong. If im right, thats literally no different than Clockwork from Ben 10 doing the same thing and even he isn't anything higher than 9-B.
If we rejected Clockwork being tier 2 at all, much less 2-A because of time hax, the same should happen here for Toki Toki.
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Is there anything that actually shows the time machine is hard to operate though?
Is there anything that actually shows the time machine is hard to operate though?
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2-A seems reasonable based on that huge post he made just now.
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@Kukui
Toki Toki has the power, given that whenever he or his byproducts are absorbed, someone becomes godly. I imagine it's because he's a bird he can't really do much lol.
Toki Toki has the power, given that whenever he or his byproducts are absorbed, someone becomes godly. I imagine it's because he's a bird he can't really do much lol.
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Alright then.
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Because birds are weak ovo
In all seriousness I don't really see how that is a reason he is different here. He if anything would be using time hax to restore the multiverse, which isn't grounds for a 2-A rating. It's again the exact reason why Clockwork was downgraded to 9-B (and other Ben 10 stuff as support but won't mention cause derail).
If one can't be something because its hax, it should apply to the other. Plus as Ever said what implies Toki Toki is the embodiment of time?
In all seriousness I don't really see how that is a reason he is different here. He if anything would be using time hax to restore the multiverse, which isn't grounds for a 2-A rating. It's again the exact reason why Clockwork was downgraded to 9-B (and other Ben 10 stuff as support but won't mention cause derail).
If one can't be something because its hax, it should apply to the other. Plus as Ever said what implies Toki Toki is the embodiment of time?
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