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Black cutting space time is merely just space-time hax and if given more looking into would be High 3-A at bestMaster Xar said:
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Dragon Ball Upgrades
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Goku surviving hits from Zamasu is as valid Tien surving attacks from Buu.
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Good analogy. I change my mind about the low 2-c things for G/T/V. I agree with Matt now.
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4D stuff below universal is high 3A.Celestial Pegasus said:
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^^^that's what I meant sometime earlier in the arc someone got infinitely stronger than before either at Black or Merged Zamasu, I meant for it to be High 3-A
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Especially since Goku and Vegeta this episode were significantly weaker than the last few episodes, where they were getting demolished by the lesser Zamasu form.Matthew Schroeder said:
Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta were getting their bones crushed casually by physical Zamasu. Weakened base forms that aren't even strong enough to power up right now surviving attacks from Soul Zamasu is total PIS.
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It scaling to the gods is one thing, but goku and vegeta survivng attacks from zamasu is honestly not worth 2-C
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Especially since Goku and Vegeta this episode were significantly weaker than the last few episodes, where they were getting demolished by the lesser Zamasu form.
But it could be argued if we consider Gowasu's statement of Merged Zamasu's power expanding to no end.
But it could be argued if we consider Gowasu's statement of Merged Zamasu's power expanding to no end.
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For now no, we don't have any proof that they are as strong as zamasu. They need some feats first.Shock97 said:
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"Black cutting space time is merely just space-time hax and if given more looking into would be High 3-A at best"
"@Radical Like Promestein said destroying small portions of time typically has not been counted as High 3-A"
High 3-A feats such as these are degraded to hax due as to not create inconsistencies, both of them fit with the actual definition of the tier and the characters later going and taking attacks from a low-2C at minimum is sufficent evidence that they can be taken as actual showings of High 3A power rather than hax.
"Goku surviving hits from Zamasu is as valid Tien surving attacks from Buu"
Not even remotely the same thing
"@Radical Like Promestein said destroying small portions of time typically has not been counted as High 3-A"
High 3-A feats such as these are degraded to hax due as to not create inconsistencies, both of them fit with the actual definition of the tier and the characters later going and taking attacks from a low-2C at minimum is sufficent evidence that they can be taken as actual showings of High 3A power rather than hax.
"Goku surviving hits from Zamasu is as valid Tien surving attacks from Buu"
Not even remotely the same thing
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Goku was previously dominating Zamasu before they fused.Matthew Schroeder said:
Also, it's likely that Buu both wasn't going all out.
Even if we say the same for Zamasu, surviving a casual blast from a 4D being makes you 4D as well,since 4D is infinitely greater than 3D
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Thing is, he didn't destroy time. He created a rift in it (it was probably a spatial rift too. Time displaced copies of yourself aren't made of mist). They're two vastly different things.
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Are people just forgetting gowasu and supreme kai survived zamasu's attacks as well, again surviving his attacks prove nothing it's just more pis.
This thread is being derailed with all this High 3-A talk, this isn't the subject of discussion, we should stick to the matter at hand.
This thread is being derailed with all this High 3-A talk, this isn't the subject of discussion, we should stick to the matter at hand.
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Are we all forgetting that Fusion Zamasu was mopping the floor with SSJB Goku and Vegeta? Their base forms (While very drained of energy and weakened) surviving attacks from his new form is nothing other than an outlier.
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Nope, all three managed to overpower Zamasu's attacks at one point or other, them surviving casual attacks from a low 2-C isn't a outlier then. them being drained means nothing as they could easily be using god ki in the form of SBG.The Everlasting said:
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That already has been settled as a space-time slicing feat, either ways the anime makes multiple interpretations possible and each one as likely as the other.The real cal howard said:
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I got Zeno Scans:
Zeno destroying Zamasu and the multiverse and everything. This should be on his profile, as it's absolute proof of his Tier given it's a feat.
The void everything was left in.
Zeno destroying Zamasu and the multiverse and everything. This should be on his profile, as it's absolute proof of his Tier given it's a feat.
The void everything was left in.
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he left the timeline in little shards from what looked like a casual atacke
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@Akereious
Because they are.
@Darkmon
Yes. It's a 2-C feat since he erased the whole multiverse.
Regardless. This is agreed on by multiple admins and other staff members, so I believe it is applicable.
Because they are.
@Darkmon
Yes. It's a 2-C feat since he erased the whole multiverse.
Regardless. This is agreed on by multiple admins and other staff members, so I believe it is applicable.
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man The Omni King has infinity speed easily killed an immortal can teleport and destroys SpaceTime continuoums do we know enough about him to use in versus matches yet?
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I don't mind anymore. While he still lacks reality warping, he can potentially be a threat to a few people.
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Zeno is going to be the next arceus. Eventually become 2-B
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we can only hopeGokuiscool144 said:
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>Compares Zeno to Arceus
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He lacks the Reality Warping and hax to evenly fight practically anyone on his level.
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1. Characters can have multiple outliers. If not then Superman would've been well into Tier 1 by now. And it doesn't matter if they repeat these feats "just in different ways" if each way is inconsistent and illogical.Akreious said:
2. A weakened base form Vegeta who cannot even power up withstanding the higher form of someone who completely demolished his full power SSB form is PIS. Especially since this was from a barrage Gowasu and Kaioshin survived as well.
3. I don't see what relevance pointing out sites that actually downplay DB has.
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Wait this just occured to me. If Zeno has Infinite Speed why would he use Teleportation to come and greet Goku when he pushes the button? Seems kind of strange for him to do such a tactic when he can do the same thing with speed alone.
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What matt said zeno gets rekt by any if not most tier 2 because of his lack of reality warping, if he gets infinite speed he can blitz some people but that won't make for a good match either way.
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i dont see how that is he has several forms of resistance do to the scaling and if at some point it's reveled he created the time rings then he would have amunity to time changeing as wellMatthew Schroeder said:
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Dragon Ball Anti-Hax is not a thing. If it was, Mafuba wouldn't seal Zamasu even if temporarely, and Babdi wouldn't be able to use magic on the Z Fighters.
Zeno does not have immunity to time-manipulation, nor is he Acausal, nor a Reality Warper (That we know of). This episode showed that he's just as bound by timelines as other characters. As far as Tier 2s go, he only has the Raw Power.
Zeno does not have immunity to time-manipulation, nor is he Acausal, nor a Reality Warper (That we know of). This episode showed that he's just as bound by timelines as other characters. As far as Tier 2s go, he only has the Raw Power.
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yes it is i have seen several of the other staff referenceing it if I remember correctly including antMatthew Schroeder said:
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