Dragon Ball (Toei) — Quick Lifting Strength Revisions

[Nullflowerblush]

Let's go over Lifting Strength from the Dragon Ball anime. This should be quick.

• BoZ / Dead Zone Goku scales above Piccolo, who is Class G (4.17686978e+13 kg). Fun Fact: This is actually Class T (>1e+12 kg).
• Vegeta Saga / World's Strongest Goku scales above an enraged Gohan from Dead Zone who has a Class P feat (1.12510471e+15 kg).
  • Tree of Might and Lord Slug / Ginyu Saga Goku obviously upscale — Class P.
• Frieza Saga Goku possibly maybe throws a planetoid at Vegeta which would result in Class Z to Y.
  • If this holds up, Android Saga and Cell Saga Goku would also very obviously upscale — Class Z or Class Y.
  • On the other hand, Android Saga Vegeta managed to push back a meteoroid of unknown size with an energy blast long enough for it to blow up.
• Cell Saga SSJ Goku scales above a casual Cell who halted an asteroid from the belt with one hand, asteroids having an average mass of 3e+21 kg (At least Class Z).
  • Buu Saga Goku vastly upscales through Pikkon who scales to Super Perfect Cell — "At least Class Z" or "At least Class Y".

Class T to P to Z to Y is a fairly consistent progression.

Of course, there are most likely much better feats in Dragon Ball GT or, hell, maybe even in Dragon Ball or in Z. I haven't thoroughly gone through these anime, I just picked out some feats that I spotted after doing some digging through Goku's page or while rewatching Dead Zone—yes, people do that.

 

[Arcker123]

Seems consistent, I agree.

 

[Vietthai96]

I................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I second this...

 

[Arcker123]

Finally good lifting feats for dragon ball.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I agree with this too

 

[SamanPatou]

Seems good, but I'd like Cell's feat to get a calc.

Also, should we separate telekinesis from physical strength? Iirc there are no mentions about the two being comparable to each other.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I mean if there are instances of characters using TK opponents and they shrug it off....then Physicals kinda equal out to TK...

But do such scenes exist...??

 

[VinnyXD]

Well I agree. Hopefully this goes through

 

[Vietthai96]

Seems good, but I'd like Cell's feat to get a calc.

Also, should we separate telekinesis from physical strength? Iirc there are no mentions about the two being comparable to each other.

Well in some occasion, DB telekinesis could scale to Ki level. Actually Ki Manip in Dragon Ball is very weird, sometime they could have some feat that borderline magic

 

[VinnyXD]

Actually Ki Manip in Dragon Ball is very weird, sometime they could have some feat that borderline magic

That's not really weird look at Nartuo.

 

[Orange]

Wouldn't frieza pushing the spirit bomb a little bit count as a lifing strength? Remember that the spirit bomb from namek was capable of crushing the planet itself?
My memory is fuzzy so I might be wrong

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Seems good, but I'd like Cell's feat to get a calc.

Also, should we separate telekinesis from physical strength? Iirc there are no mentions about the two being comparable to each other.

You can scale physical LS to telekinesis if you break free from someone's TK

Also, you got a scan of Cell's feat? I can calc it if you don't mind

 

[Mister6ame6]

Agree with this.

 

[Thelastmlg]

So about frieza saga goku, i feel like that feats is too vague to be used, i mean, i looked like vegeta was hallucinating after a planet started moving for some reason, and i dodon'stee a reason for him to attack vegeta like that, unless he is a massive troll lmao.

Dead zone is def not a black hole, is just a portal that sucks stuff.

Frieza goku did manage to hold that island frieza throw, since it didn't roll on him, just couldn't stop the momentum, and since ssj is a very accepted multiplier now, they would scale 40x and 50x above this.

Cell saga sounds fine, i saw the scene recently and i don't remember the asteroid being in a good view to scale him to cell, so average size is fine, but is it fine to use their mass when the feat happens in space, you know, no gravity and stuff, does that affect LS?

 

[SamanPatou]

You can scale physical LS to telekinesis if you break free from someone's TK

Also, you got a scan of Cell's feat? I can calc it if you don't mind

I know, but I don't remember any scene which could support it, just Nappa being unaffected by Jiaozi.

Cell's feat is linked in the op.

I forgot about the Dead Zone thing, what are the evidences of it being an actual black hole and not just a portal which sucks things? Because not even the Love Love Black Hole or whatever is its name was considered as real one.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Is frieza's pinball paralysis based on his TS? Because once he stopped kicking him he managed to get out

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Yeah....the one where he was slapping him around in that ball with his tail right??

 

[VinnyXD]

Side note.

Goku did get himself out of a star gravitational pull

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

But wasn't that filler??

 

[VinnyXD]

But wasn't that filler??

You realize this is all for Toei right?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

• Cell Saga SSJ Goku scales above a casual Cell who halted an asteroid from the belt with one hand, asteroids having an average mass of 3e+21 kg (At least Class Z).

Wouldn’t it be better to actually calc this feat?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

You realize this is all for Toei right?

 

[Thelastmlg]

Side note.

Goku did get himself out of a star gravitational pull

Didn't he also push his whole ship because of the glue with a kamehameha? We could find the mass of the ship and apply the gravity pull

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Didn't he also push his whole ship because of the glue with a kamehameha? We could find the mass of the ship and apply the gravity pull

The force needed push the ship to escape the gravity pull of Sun.....its may turn out to be a lot....especially if time frame is small.

 

[VinnyXD]

Didn't he also push his whole ship because of the glue with a kamehameha? We could find the mass of the ship and apply the gravity pull

Here

 

[SamanPatou]

That's not LS, though.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Here

Man that is some very impressive equipment......glue, tiles, ship surface, boots, suit....how strong must that have been....Dr. Brief is more of a magician than a scientist. ...

Jokes aside...thats some very impressive feat...

On Earth escape velocity is like 11km/s....imagine what that would be for Sun....and he went from surface of Sun to distance so far that gravitational field had negligible effect on him. And in few seconds too.
Thats also a speed feat.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

I agree with this.

 

[Orange]

I remember gohan destroying some kinda planet? Is that feat calced yet?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Characteristics of the Sun

[/caption] Mass: 1.98892 x 1030 kg Diameter: 1,391,000 kilometers Radius: 695,500 km Surface gravity of the Sun: 27.94 g Volume of the Sun: 1.412 x 1018 km3 Density of the Sun: 1.622 x 105 kg/m3 How Big is the Sun? The Sun is the largest object in the Solar System, accounting for 99.86% of the …...

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Astronomers define the Solar System as the distance under the influence of gravity from the Sun. We know that the Sun holds distant Pluto in orbit (5.9 billion km away on average). But astronomers think that the Oort Cloud extends out to a distance of 50,000 astronomical units (1 AU is the distance from the Earth to the Sun), or 1 light-year. In fact, the influence of the Sun’s gravity could extend out to 2 light-years away, the point at which the pull from other stars is stronger.

And apparently escape velocity of Sun is around 615km/s......
Obviously Goku went far faster than that....

2 Light Years in few seconds.........
One LY is 9.4607×10^15 m...
2 LY is 18.8 × 10^15 m

As for time frame.... he starts at 2:03 and gets out of field at 2:20..
17 sec....
So that's approxx 1.1 × 10^15 m/s of speed....or 3,666,666.67 FTL.....3.6 Million FTL


This is all assuming that the Star is as big as our Sun though....which it probably isn't.......so results would be much less impressive.......but still fun to think about.


And this is all assuming I did this seriously.....which it isn't.....just read, laugh and move on.....its just for fun.....I am messing around.

 

[VinnyXD]

Speaking of lifting feats.

While this isn't for Toei
Can it be use for Super?
Zamasu telekinesis

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Speaking of lifting feats.

While this isn't for Toei
Can it be use for Super?
Zamasu telekinesis

Feels like the Balls themselves float rather than Zamasu making them....

 

[VinnyXD]

Feels like the Balls themselves float rather than Zamasu making them....

True but how else would he get them there?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

True but how else would he get them there?

Aaahhh I see....true...TK is only way he could carry them around and collect them in the first place.

 

[Orange]

Characteristics of the Sun

[/caption] Mass: 1.98892 x 1030 kg Diameter: 1,391,000 kilometers Radius: 695,500 km Surface gravity of the Sun: 27.94 g Volume of the Sun: 1.412 x 1018 km3 Density of the Sun: 1.622 x 105 kg/m3 How Big is the Sun? The Sun is the largest object in the Solar System, accounting for 99.86% of the …...

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And apparently escape velocity of Sun is around 615km/s......
Obviously Goku went far faster than that....

2 Light Years in few seconds.........
One LY is 9.4607×10^15 m...
2 LY is 18.8 × 10^15 m

As for time frame.... he starts at 2:03 and gets out of field at 2:20..
17 sec....
So that's approxx 1.1 × 10^15 m/s of speed....or 3,666,666.67 FTL.....3.6 Million FTL


This is all assuming that the Star is as big as our Sun though....which it probably isn't.......so results would be much less impressive.......but still fun to think about.


And this is all assuming I did this seriously.....which it isn't.....just read, laugh and move on.....its just for fun.....I am messing around.

It's a reasonable assumption, yes the star look small, but it could just be that writers don't know their ttmrye size. But their intention is to show that goku can pull himself...from a star....while glued on space egg....how strong is that glue, no seriously we need a profile for it

 

[Thelastmlg]

Characteristics of the Sun

[/caption] Mass: 1.98892 x 1030 kg Diameter: 1,391,000 kilometers Radius: 695,500 km Surface gravity of the Sun: 27.94 g Volume of the Sun: 1.412 x 1018 km3 Density of the Sun: 1.622 x 105 kg/m3 How Big is the Sun? The Sun is the largest object in the Solar System, accounting for 99.86% of the …...

www.universetoday.com

And apparently escape velocity of Sun is around 615km/s......
Obviously Goku went far faster than that....

2 Light Years in few seconds.........
One LY is 9.4607×10^15 m...
2 LY is 18.8 × 10^15 m

As for time frame.... he starts at 2:03 and gets out of field at 2:20..
17 sec....
So that's approxx 1.1 × 10^15 m/s of speed....or 3,666,666.67 FTL.....3.6 Million FTL


This is all assuming that the Star is as big as our Sun though....which it probably isn't.......so results would be much less impressive.......but still fun to think about.


And this is all assuming I did this seriously.....which it isn't.....just read, laugh and move on.....its just for fun.....I am messing around.

Another problme is that the whole radiation balance thing means you don't need to escape the gravity range, or else we would've crashed into the sun by then, goku just needed to move like, idk, the diatance between the closest planet to the sun to escape it.

Also escape velocity is only for non-proppeled objects.

 

[Orange]

Wait, won't goku get heat resistant since he was close to the sun, and maybe some form of gravity resistance thing. He was pretty close, under it I believe

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

It's a reasonable assumption, yes the star look small, but it could just be that writers don't know their ttmrye size. But their intention is to show that goku can pull himself...from a star....while glued on space egg....how strong is that glue, no seriously we need a profile for it

I mean if we calced it seriously....we could get some good force numbers from it....the force needed to pull that feat of should be quite impressive....could give us good Lifting Strength...how good remains to be seen.

 

[Orange]

I mean if we calced it seriously....we could get some good force numbers from it....the force needed to pull that feat of should be quite impressive....could give us good Lifting Strength...how good remains to be seen.

Yes it would, so the kamehameha can push, shatter, and destroy objects right. And the ship surving the sun could mean two things: the ships very strong, or goku can enhance things by his ki, sort of like trunks and his sword