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and the angels, there is some more i think, but i will save it for another thread
and also they all become above baseline instead of the weird half 2-C we have right now
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Dragon Ball Super: Universes/Timeline Tiering Revision
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and also they all become above baseline instead of the weird half 2-C we have right now
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I think other members have already given enough reasons to invalidate this thread.
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Which are? 0 evidence for Timeline containing ROSAT + extraordinary claim of one Spacetime containing other at that only evidence so far it had is only that ROSAT is contained within the Universe7 created because it was introduced before the multiverse and characters not being able to travel outside universe, etc, but now it's location has been established outside of where we default it and that had been done after entire Cosmology has been established.
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Well, to put an end to the joy of the haters on duty, here it is mentioned in the manga that the "NAMELESS PLANET THAT EXISTS INSIDE A NEUTRAL DIMENSION"
Now we have a confirmation, there is a neutral dimension that separates the Universes
Without further ado, for Champa with the use of the cube it is impossible to catch anyone
Summary of everything: it is only possible to access other Universes through the cube, if the Universes had the same space-time several people would be traveling as if it were nothing, there is a neutral space that separates the Universes ( dimension ) Angels can travel freely through the universe because they have the ability to traverse entire space-time via speed
Now we have a confirmation, there is a neutral dimension that separates the Universes
Without further ado, for Champa with the use of the cube it is impossible to catch anyone
Summary of everything: it is only possible to access other Universes through the cube, if the Universes had the same space-time several people would be traveling as if it were nothing, there is a neutral space that separates the Universes ( dimension ) Angels can travel freely through the universe because they have the ability to traverse entire space-time via speed
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yes, they just did not fall into harsh reality.
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the planet does not change anything, but where it is, which is in one dimension, my friend, which already refutes all your arguments and proving that the Universes exist several different space-times within from them .
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I recommend you tone it down with me, plus I'm just arguing, if you think it's bad just ignore me, I'm not rambling or anything like that, I'm just proving my point, don't be rude when people are arguing and asking to you stop.
actually this thread is about proving whether Universe 7 exists different spacetimes, don't get things mixed up, just because it's been rejected by others doesn't mean it's not a proof.
exactly here
speaks to prove if there is evidence that there are different spacetimes, DB cosmology is not formed only by the room of time. So we're not just talking about the room of time, but DB's afterlife as well.
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I'm going to call an administrator, to give his honest opinion here, besides this will only get worse, I'm tired of hearing the same arguments that were refuted in previous threads, I don't know how that passed, but anyway, this is my last comment here, I'm extremely tired of this, we already proved that the Universes do not have the same spacetime.
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ROSAT is literally created by Dende within the timeline, unless Dende has some kind of interdimensional range that even the Gods don't, seem to be very simple to assume that it is within the timeline
Furthermore, the split timeline mechanic separates all events in history, assuming that ROSAT is unaffected by this is basically saying that if Trunks and Goku entered the ROSAT at the same time they would end up in the same place.
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of course, downgrade means haters and delusions, dude stop with the attitude, it doesn't help your case, if you think your points are correct, just present them, why do you feel the need to call people that disagree with you of haters? just so you know db is in my top 5 anime/manga
how does this prove that they are space times? they are different dimensions that you cannot normally access from one another, they still have the same time
show me where i was disrespectful with you, i was just saying for to not derail with other realms being space times within the universe talk
when you are trying to argue for something that it is already rejected and is not in theme with what the thread is for, them i yeah i will call you out since all you are doing in derailing and making the thread go bigger than what it needs to be, the topic at hand is complicated as it is, we can't have someone making more confusing proposing something that is not in the op nor is what the thread is trying to do, you would need another thread of your own for that with permission of staff, don't make this thread more convoluted than it already is
no it is a thread about the individual universes being different space times, you were arguing for the realms inside the universes to be different space times which is not what this thread is about
you would need to have this stuff about the realms themselves inside the universes to be approved first, the realms being different space times was rejected so many times that it has a rule on it, you need to make it accepted first to use it as an argument, this is how it is, this is the rules, seriously what is stopping you for asking a mod for permission to make a thread on it?
no, it speaks as proof of the individual universes being space times, the only realm inside the universe that was accepted as another space time was the rosat, as of the last thread, not anymore, so we are seeing if there is proof of it being inside the timeline, which also has not been provided, realms like the afterlife were rejected so many times in the past that there is a rule on it, all that this does is extend an already long thread for no reason
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wow, now I can't argue against it even with the canonical databook of the work? I'm not spamming or anything like that, I'm just proving that there are different spacetimes, it can't stay angry at the evidence.
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prove both of those?
what would the problem of that be?
a separated space time will not be considered part another without clear evidence
there are multiple rosats, as shown in the previous thread, other timelines reaching other rosats is very reasonable
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This reasoning is contradicted by the very fact that ROSAT is outside of universe 7, Dende just created a pocket dimension disconnected from rest of the timeline and so outside of it spatiotemporally.
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The original Japanese text uses the kanji 中立空間, which translates into "neutral space", with 空間 literally meaning a physical space, like a gap between two objects. The neutral space between Universes 6 and 7 is just that; a void of outer space, complete with its own celestial bodies, not a dimension separating space-time.
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so it's a translation error?
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There are multiple iterations of the ROSAT, yes. That's because that realm is still affected by the whole timeline splitting. So it's present within other timelines as well.Multiverse mechanics aren't so hard to understand.
The RoSaT is not some kind of multiversal singularity where multiple points time end up being mashed together. It's literally never shown to be.This ain't The Breakers. If you have proof of this, then go ahead and post it.
The RoSaT is not some kind of multiversal singularity where multiple points time end up being mashed together. It's literally never shown to be.This ain't The Breakers. If you have proof of this, then go ahead and post it.
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Do we know if it's created by Dende? Or is it done similarly to how creating the Dragon Balls works?
Side note, otherwise it also would imply to have been formed by Kami.
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literally proves the universes share the same spacetime
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Dende is the one who recreated the ROSAT once Vegeta destroyed it, and do I really need to show why Dende is inside the timeline?
Literally no one who is extraspherically above Dende shows such a range
We're talking about two timelines that branched out, the entrance to Trunks' ROSAT is a clone of the one we see in the main universe, plus all the other ROSATS we see in the series don't have the same time flow as the one we see in the main universe.
assume the timeline simply switches to another ROSAT conveniently instead of cloning it like the rest of the timeline is a headcannon
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Vaguely remember but it was created by Kami in my memory.
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As I said, dende being inside Timeline has nothing to do with position of ROSAT as it would imply that ROSAT is inside living universe or U7 which is wrong. So reasoning is incorrect to begin with.
Branching Timelines won't affect the matter of multiple ROSAT as all of them will eventually have the story being copied, story of Kami who will create the ROSAT in all timelines that are copies of main timeline.
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Universes are visibly spatially closed and separate from this neutral space, and not just an agglomeration of matter, their sharing a common space time around them is basically what a hypertimeline is all about.
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yes. They're SPATIALLY closed.
Nothing at any point in the whole anime suggest they're independent low 2-C structures.
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All the scan showed was that there is a space between universes, you were treating this as the incontrovertible evidence of the century, the universes being spacetimes of their own but encompassed by that space that makes them a single timeline is still possible, about having the evidence for it is just what is being discussed
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The fact they all encompass the same timeline, planets exist in between them, and there's no actual evidence proving they're low 2-C structures is why they're not low 2-C structures.
Wiki standards and perhaps biased staff support are the only 2 things propping up 2-C DB multiverse, no other verse with these anti-feats and absurd levels of ignoring the source material would be treated as 2-C here.
The fact we ignore all the supporting evidence for 2-C U7, but treat the multiverse as 2-C despite having no supporting evidence and anti-feats is just a joke.
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there are naturally multiple rosats, as shown in in the precious thread, what stops other timelines to access other rosats?
i don't understand your point, when did anyone said anything about the rosat being a singularity? the point is that it doesn't branch along with the normal timeline
proof of what?
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I unironically agree with this.
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this is so sad, that I get discouraged.
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Where is the evidence of this? Mind showing us?
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Multiple kami's of seprate timelines following the same story of the main timeline.
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weren't you in the last thread? it is on the op for it
here it is:
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Are you serious? If this is the only evidence, then i will argue against it.
One dimension with the same properties as The RoSaT existing naturally doesn't mean the latter exists naturally as well. This is faulty logic.
Especially when we know the RoSaT was created by someone while this dimension exists naturally.
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A Room of Spirit and Time being connected to two parallel worlds is impossible. For that to be possible, its axis would have to intersect with two different timelines at the same time. The door only opens from and out into one world.
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That’s not the only way that can be taken, especially when Super itself more than once has clearly used 空間 "space" in the sense of an actual separate space/dimension.
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what is the evidence for it not being naturally?
do we? can you show it? and this actually helps my argument, if they were created then when a timeline splits the act of it being created is also pressented in the splited timeline, without the need of the rosat being affected
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Both are RoSaT, so it's very much that they share same property and, frieza went to some planet which had the RoSaT so it's also created by someone from living universe. And as @Nullflowerblush said, there are multiple RoSaT, it would be impossible for parallel world's to share same RoSaT, they'll all eventually have their own RoSaT created by their Kami's.
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a dimension that separates both, not a space time tho
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