Dragon Ball Super: Universes/Timeline Tiering Revision

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Both are RoSaT, so it's very much that they share same property and, frieza went to some planet which had the RoSaT so it's also created by someone from living universe. And as @Nullflowerblush said, there are multiple RoSaT, it would be impossible for parallel world's to share same RoSaT, they'll all eventually have their own RoSaT created by their Kami's.

Random dimensions with time dilation can be compared to the ROSAT. It's not the first time that happens (i remember such a scene in Heroes too) so why is it being taken literally?

Besides,again, those are alternative versions of the ROSAT created by timeline split. They're completely separate from the ones in the other space times. I have never claimed the opposite.

Those timelines (like the Future Trunks one) and everything inside of them isn't "natural" , it's all a byproduct of time travel, which causes time distortions and branches the timeline. It's the whole point of the Androids saga.

 

[Omegabronic]

Random dimensions with time dilation can be compared to the ROSAT. It's not the first time that happens so why is it being taken literally?

because it is called to be one, so we have no reason to believe that it isn't one

(i remember such a scene in Heroes too)

non canon doesn't matter

Besides,again, those are alternative versions of the ROSAT created by timeline split.

proof that they were created by the timeline split? that they were affected by time travel even tho they are separated space times?

Those timelines and everything inside of them isn't "natural" , it's all a byproduct of time travel, which causes time distortions and branches the timeline. It's the whole point of the Androids saga.

yeah, so? there are more than 1 rosat, therefore different timelines accessing different rosats is very reasonable and it requires less assumptions than saying that a separate space time is affected by time travel and that the db timeline is a very specific type of timeline

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

because it is called to be one, so we have no reason to believe that it isn't one

Name fallacy.

Proof that they were created by the timeline split? that they were affected by time travel even tho they are separated space times?

We come back to how branching timelines work. It's the default assumption unless proven otherwise. The timeline split yet the RoSaT is still there. The burden of proof is on you.

Yeah, so? there are more than 1 rosat, therefore different timelines accessing different rosats is very reasonable and it requires less assumptions than saying that a separate space time is affected by time travel and that the db timeline is a very specific type of timeline

You do realize that these alternative timelines all exist because of timeline branching right? You do realize that these aren't assumptions, but just how the multiverse works and how the multiverse is stated to work right?

"Many different futures are created over the smallest of things" to quote the DBZ manga.

Also you still have to prove that Frieza's dimension and the RoSaT are the same thing. Since one exists naturally and the other was created. Big difference.

 

[PrinceofPein]

WHAT HAVE I DONE!!!!

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Also you still have to prove that Frieza's dimension and the RoSaT are the same thing. Since one exists naturally and the other was created. Big difference.

Frieza said he discovered a chamber on a planet he conquered. A random door appeared naturally on this planet?

 

[Omegabronic]

Name fallacy.

explain, i don't understand how it is a fallacy

We come back to how branching timelines work. It's the default assumption unless proven otherwise. The timeline split yet the RoSaT is still there. The burden of proof is on you.

no? 1 the default assumption is that separated space times are not inside others and 2 if there are more dimensions like the rosat(there are called rosat, but you don't like the name for some reason) then these other timelines could connect with those instead of the same one that wouldn't be branched since it is another space time

You do realize that these alternative timelines all exist because of timeline branching right? You do realize that these aren't assumptions, but just how the multiverse works and how the multiverse is stated to work right?

and you do understand that the said branches don't affect other space times right? that being another space times would make them inaffect by the time travel inside another space time right?

"Many different futures are created over the smallest of things" to quote the DBZ manga.

whis says otherwise, even so having more than one rosat makes it more likely that these other timelines are reaching to different rosats

Also you still have to prove that Frieza's dimension and the RoSaT are the same thing.

they are said to be the same, you are the one who has to show proof

Since one exists naturally and the other was created. Big difference.

prove that it was created, also it being created helps my argument a lot as i explained latter

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Frieza said he discovered a chamber on a planet he conquered. A random door appeared naturally on this planet?

Ok. Let's say they're both the same. Why is the RoSaT present within other timelines if it's something that has its own time space?

 

[Omegabronic]

Ok. Let's say they're both the same. Why is the RoSaT present within other timelines if it's something that has its own time space?

if it is created, then whoever created in the main timeline also created another one in the branched one

 

[Nullflowerblush]

whis says otherwise

But does he?

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

if it is created, then whoever created in the main timeline also created another one in the branched one

But does he?

What Null said.

Now i hope you're not going to tell me this RoSaT magically appeared out of nowhere, or has always existed.

 

[Reiner04]

Random dimensions with time dilation can be compared to the ROSAT. It's not the first time that happens (i remember such a scene in Heroes too) so why is it being taken literally?

Besides,again, those are alternative versions of the ROSAT created by timeline split. They're completely separate from the ones in the other space times. I have never claimed the opposite.

Those timelines (like the Future Trunks one) and everything inside of them isn't "natural" , it's all a byproduct of time travel, which causes time distortions and branches the timeline. It's the whole point of the Androids saga.

Yes they're by product of trunks saga but if ROSAT has been existed since forever then it would have indicated that it is affected by time travel as there cannot be any other cause for it to be present in the other timelines as well aside from timetravel but now that we know it's because of Kami, the story being copied already evident all the stuff.

 

[Reiner04]

Name fallacy

It is anything but name fallacy tbh, it has same properties of existing outside the dimension have different flow and literally Goku and vegita knows no other dimension with the same name as RoSaT.

 

[God900]

Didn't know Reiner was knowledgeable in DB aswell, lol

 

[Reiner04]

Didn't know Reiner was knowledgeable in DB aswell, lol

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Staff members please lemme laugh at few times a thread

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

MUAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Staff members please lemme laugh at few times a thread

ngl, i was surprised you weren't on of the staff members

 

[Omegabronic]

But does he?

in that scene it is the same thing as when trunks time travels, zamasu doing what he did was part of the timeline, beerus erasing zamasu changed the timeline, we were talking about the MWI where every possibility becomes a timeline

What Null said.

Now i hope you're not going to tell me this RoSaT magically appeared out of nowhere, or has always existed.

it was created again by whoever created it in the main timeline in the first place, since the act of it being created was part of the main timeline

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

well actually, shin had to go and travel across each universes spacetime to go to the universe beerus was in

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I found the source of this scan

Daizenshuu 7 Geographical Dictionary • Kanzenshuu

www.kanzenshuu.com

It's from the Daizenshuu, and it was translated by Herms himself.

 

[Reiner04]

well actually, shin had to go and travel across each universes spacetime to go to the universe beerus was in

Nice, he had to go at several points in time by the way to look for activities of zamasu

 

[Reiner04]

I found the source of this scan

Daizenshuu 7 Geographical Dictionary • Kanzenshuu

www.kanzenshuu.com

It's from the Daizenshuu, and it was translated by Herms himself.

Daizenshuu and contradicted by manga is another thing.

 

[Omegabronic]

well actually, shin had to go and travel across each universes spacetime to go to the universe beerus was in

context please?

I found the source of this scan

Daizenshuu 7 Geographical Dictionary • Kanzenshuu

www.kanzenshuu.com

It's from the Daizenshuu, and it was translated by Herms himself.

i don't see anything relevant in the scan, can you explain please

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Daizenshuu and contradicted by manga is another thing.

̶O̶u̶t̶s̶i̶d̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶U̶n̶i̶v̶e̶r̶s̶e̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶s̶i̶d̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶L̶i̶v̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶W̶o̶r̶l̶d̶,̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶s̶i̶d̶e̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶U̶7̶ ̶s̶m̶h̶.̶ ̶I̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶a̶l̶s̶o̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶i̶s̶t̶e̶n̶t̶.̶

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

context please?


i don't see anything relevant in the scan, can you explain please

Long story short, the RoSaT is simply another area, a "Subspace" located inside U7.

"Outside the universe" doesn't mean outside the whole macrocosm.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I wish there was an accessible digital copy of the Chouzenshuu 4.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I wish there was an accessible digital copy of the Chouzenshuu 4.

Me too. Fortunately Herms provided translations.

 

[Omegabronic]

Long story short, the RoSaT is simply another area, a "Subspace" located inside U7.

no? where did you get that from that scan?

"Outside the universe" doesn't mean outside the whole macrocosm.

a separated space time would by default

 

[Tarang123]

a separated space time would by default

No? Where’d you get that idea from?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

No? Where’d you get that idea from?

he doesn't even know where he got it lol

 

[Reiner04]

̶O̶u̶t̶s̶i̶d̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶U̶n̶i̶v̶e̶r̶s̶e̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶s̶i̶d̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶L̶i̶v̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶W̶o̶r̶l̶d̶,̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶s̶i̶d̶e̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶U̶7̶ ̶s̶m̶h̶.̶ ̶I̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶a̶l̶s̶o̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶i̶s̶t̶e̶n̶t̶.̶

Still contradicts the stuff written whatever reasoning being used besides, universe in super has been consistently standing for U7 ever since 12 universes has been introduced.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Me too. Fortunately Herms provided translations.

Herms provided translations of the Daizenshuu 7's Geographical Dictionary. The information about Subspaces only exists in the Chouzenshuu 4.

 

[Reiner04]

No? Where’d you get that idea from?

Yes? A seprate spacetime is seprate space unaffected by the spacetime of the each other that's the reason RoSaT being inside universe has been used for reasoning that verse works differently than irl stuff or else why it's written on zeno profile? Why the previous thread got controversial and why this thread exist?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

well actually, shin had to go and travel across each universes spacetime to go to the universe beerus was in

Real quick, in the original Japanese text, the Supreme Kai uses the kanji for "space-time", 時空, and in the Viz translation, he refers to his destination as the twelve universes, but he further confirms that he used the Time Ring to travel to the future. His declaration of jumping between time and space is, in all likelihood, in reference to his journey to and fro the future.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Herms provided translations of the Daizenshuu 7's Geographical Dictionary. The information about Subspaces only exists in the Chouzenshuu 4.

Even better, because D7 states that the ROSAT is located in Area 1-B of U7.

 

[Reiner04]

Real quick, in the original Japanese text, the Supreme Kai uses the kanji for "space-time", 時空, and in the Viz translation, he refers to his destination as the twelve universes, but he further confirms that he used the Time Ring to travel to the future. His declaration of jumping between time and space is, in all likelihood, in reference to his journey to and fro the future.

You are not enjoying the show with popcorns are you?

 

[Reiner04]

Even better, because D7 states that the ROSAT is located in Area 1-B of U7.

The point that it says it's located on earth just cold away the entire stuff.

 

[Omegabronic]

No? Where’d you get that idea from?

if it is said to be an alternate dimension with its own space and time, then we would assume that it is outside of another space time, since this is the most simple assumption to make instead of saying that a space time is inside another just because

Even better, because D7 states that the ROSAT is located in Area 1-B of U7.

no? it says that the entrance of it is, with the door being what makes both connect when open

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Piccolo also states that the only thing connecting the Living Universe and the Dimension of Time itself is the door.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Piccolo also states that the only thing connecting the Living Universe and the Dimension of Time itself is the door.

Yes? The dimension is called a "Subspace" in the Chouzenshuu. There's no contradiction to that.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Just realized the difference between the Daizenshuu and the Chouzenshuu. The latter takes precedence so my bad on that.

 

[Reiner04]

Yes? The dimension is called a "Subspace" in the Chouzenshuu. There's no contradiction to that.

So, the RoSaT is present on earth not in different dimension outside the universe?