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Dragon Ball Super: Universes/Timeline Tiering Revision

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omegabronic said:
when did anyone said anything about them not being different dimensions? the point is about them not being different space times


when did anyone said the opposite? you guys are confusing things, since now there no reason to assume that the rosat was affected, meaning that now there is no reason to assume that other space-times are affect in db's time travel, meaning that now there is no reason to assume that the other universes are other space times
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That doesn’t matter the fact that the RoSaT exists inside a timeline means it’s encompassed by a larger space time continumm meaning a space time can encompass another space time time travel has no relevance here
 
godofice said:
That doesn’t matter the fact that the RoSaT exists inside a timeline means it’s encompassed by a larger space time continumm meaning a space time can encompass another space time time travel has no relevance here
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it is inside the timeline?, regardless being inside or not is not the point, but it being affected or not

Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
Do you even know how branching timelines work? Because your comment tells me that you don't.
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are you going to explain or?
 
omegabronic said:
are you going to explain or?
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Two timelines "branch" from each other because of a divergence in events. This simple concept is one of the basis of an interpretation of quantum mechanics known as the "Many Worlds Interpretation".

Many works of fiction have this kind of multiverse, and Dragon Ball Is one of them. And this is accepted on here.

I brought you the example of the Goku Black timeline.

We know that Goku,Vegeta and co. Trained in the ROSAT before in both Z and Super.

Goku Black's original timeline diverged from the original AFTER these events happened. The history of that timeline is identical to the main one , up to that point.

So the ROSAT is definitely present in that timeline. Because events that involved it happened in both.

And even IRL, everything inside the universe being "branched" into different versions of itself isn't something you need to prove. This kind of multiverse works like this BY DEFAULT.

Dragon Ball literally works like that. You have an Afterlife, an Earth, an alternate version of the Z Fighters, etc... Everything. The ROSAT isn't excluded from this, and it is you who needs to prove the opposite.
 
Iirc DT mentioned something about the universes in a DB-Timeline are "Subsets" of 4D spacetime. So, their still Low 2-C universes. I'll see of I could find it

Edit: I can't find it but I swear je said it on a DBH hypertimeline crt lomg ago.
 
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Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
Two timelines "branch" from each other because of a divergence in events. This simple concept is one of the basis of an interpretation of quantum mechanics known as the "Many Worlds Interpretation".

Many works of fiction have this kind of multiverse, and Dragon Ball Is one of them. And this is accepted on here.
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i know that, but in the case you shown, it is not that, many worlds interpretation sugests that there are ad infinitum worlds braching of form possibilities, whihch is not the case in dbs as explained by whis

Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
I brought you the example of the Goku Black timeline.

We know that Goku,Vegeta and co. Trained in the ROSAT before in both Z and Super.

Goku Black's original timeline diverged from the original AFTER these events happened. The history of that timeline is identical to the main one , up to that point.

So the ROSAT is definitely present in that timeline.
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yes, i acknowledged this

Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
And even IRL, everything inside the universe being "branched" into different versions of events isn't something you need to prove. This kind of multiverse works like this BY DEFAULT.

Dragon Ball literally works like that. You have an Afterlife, an Earth, an alternate version of the Z Fighters, etc... Everything. The ROSAT isn't excluded from this, and it is you who needs to prove the opposite.
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the rosat is not inside the universe tho, that was the whole point of the last thread
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
I don't get this argument. Are you saying there is no evidence that the ROSAT has different versions across timelines?
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more like that there is(since an example of different rosats was shown in the manga) but rather that they don't branch along with the normal timeline when someone time travels, since the rosat is a separated space time
 
omegabronic said:
i know that, but in the case you shown, it is not that, many worlds interpretation sugests that there are ad infinitum worlds braching of form possibilities, whihch is not the case in dbs as explained by whis


yes, i acknowledged this


the rosat is not inside the universe tho, that was the whole point of the last thread
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Whis's speech is about the consequences of time travel. It's got nothing to do with branching timelines. And even then, the basis is still the MWI's. That's already accepted on the wiki, there has been a whole thread on it.

Stop nitpicking. The ROSAT is part of the timeline, regardless of what you say. It's shown to be.

The timeline as a whole branches. Not just a random universe.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Okay. Where is your evidence of this?
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for what exactly?

Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
Whis's speech is about the consequences of time travel. It's got nothing to do with branching timelines. And even then, the basis is still the MWI's. That's already accepted on the wiki, there has been a whole thread on it.
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not it isn't? "for cosmonic estability time is only supposed to flow in one direction" <- this is against MWI, the basis is not MWI what are you talking about?, being accepted before doesn't mean that it can't be changed, you can't just dismiss it,
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
Stop nitpicking. The ROSAT is part of the timeline, regardless of what you say. It's shown to be.
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1 exaplain what about my argument was a nitpicking and why it is
2 where was it shown to be? are just going to ignore what i said?
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
The timeline as a whole branches. Not just a random universe.
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above read
 
omegabronic said:
isn't? "for cosmonic estability time is only supposed to flow in one direction" <- this is against MWI, the basis is not MWI what are you talking about?, being accepted before doesn't mean that it can't be changed, you can't just dismiss it,
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Then my guy, you've got the MWI completely wrong.

Nowhere Lee Everett has stated what you just said.

Time flows in one direction in a MWI universe. The latter simply has multiple iterations of itself, but these worlds still abide to the normal laws of physics. Hell, it's one of the main differences between MWI and multiverses based on stuff like Eternal Inflation.

Anyways, here ya go.

 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
Then my guy, you've got the MWI completely wrong.

Nowhere Lee Everett has stated what you just said.

Time flows in one direction in a MWI universe. The latter simply has multiple iterations of itself, but these worlds still abide to the normal laws of physics. Hell, it's one of the main differences between MWI and multiverses based on stuff like Eternal Inflation.
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one direction means no branch, which is against MWI that is based on possibilities and outcomes, i can give a link later when i am at home

Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
Anyways, here ya go.

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where was this from? give me a link
 
omegabronic said:
one direction means no branch, which is against MWI that is based on possibilities and outcomes, i can give a link later when i am at home


where was this from? give me a link
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"One direction means no Branch"

This is purely mental gymnastics. One of the points of the MWI is that it follows the regular laws of physics.
 
Already starting with the refutation!


There is a neutral space separating the Universes, as you can see in this quote right here.





It is mentioned exactly here that to travel between other Universes you need a transport cube





Here champa mentions that it would be impossible to reach hitto assassin if he gets his cube





Without further ado or delay, here it shows a space between Universes





Now let's disprove about the Universes not having separate space-times!


Exactly here it is mentioned that different events changed the planet Earth of Universe 6





If it had the same space-time the earth of universe 6 would be there, as we can see, the Universes do not share the same space-time, now I will show you one more statement of that.


Vegeta mentions that the Saiyan does not have a tail and found it strange, in the same scan Vegeta asks about Saiyans being Frieza's slave, he mentions that this never happened, now in that same scan it is said that different things happened in this universe, in the same scan mentioned, it is described that the planet sadala still exists, and in universe 7 it was blown into a thousand pieces


https://imgur.com/a/mAb9Nov


Now I ask you, how can Universes have the same space-time, when different things happened?


Now let's go to different dimensions, there is a dimension below beerus' planet, I call it limbo or emptiness


https://imgur.com/a/yKo4kWJ


In the Brazilian subtitle in Dragon Ball in episode 18 the name of this dimension is shown


https://imgur.com/a/z5KDR6p


Translation


"If they fall, they will go to limbo, with no return."


And yes my friends, the Dragon Ball databook is official and Akira toriyama himself agrees, removing it as non-canon is like denying everything about DB


https://imgur.com/a/fkaoET7


This Daizenshuu, the 7th and final one, is a huge Dragon Ball encyclopedia. I think the staff who make these books always have a rough time of it, but this one looked even more hellish than usual. They really did a great job. I’m ridiculously forgetful, so despite being the author, there’s lots of stuff even I don’t know anymore. It was often quite a nuisance, and I think having this encyclopedia around when the series was still running would have really helped me out. Darn it all.
Anyway, my thanks to the staff, and to all Dragon Ball fans.


— Akira Toriyama






in the novel of the film Dragon Ball Super Broly it is said that the Universe could not handle such energy and sent him to that place, explanation of what the dimension is


Brolly and Gogeta destroyed a dimension named super-dimensional, wanted to discuss this with the team members for what it means for this dimension having the name superdimensional


where is mentioned super dimensional


https://imgur.com/a/oBvN5Br


Hermes said about the super dimensional dimension


"It's a type of place that doesn’t exist in reality, like an alternate dimension"


right here that is mentioned


https://imgur.com/a/Jeg2xUC
https://imgur.com/a/3q9N5Al


dimension source


https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1041125365278633984?t=NXCMVCrVrswY4tfS-Mpdsg&s=19


right here on the official website of DB talks about the dimension


https://imgur.com/a/3T3XcEd


Here exactly talks about super dimensional images what should be talking about the dimension


https://imgur.com/a/5WZ4Pda


and here confirms that she is a super dimensional dimension


https://imgur.com/a/oBvN5Br


website where he talks about dimension and how it was made, also how they created a movie


https://dragonball.news/news/dbmfl28.html


dimension they destroyed


https://imgur.com/a/tSZZzVT




Now let's talk about the databook itself stating about the afterlife, which is separated into four parts (I got these reasoning from Null, only these parts)


The World of the Dragon (general)


The [Dragon Ball] world has a peculiar worldview: the macrocosm is divided into four areas, the afterlife that takes care of the macrocosm, and the Kaioshin Realm that surrounds the perimeter of the afterlife and the macrocosm. We will introduce you to the countless eye-opening worlds.


https://web.archive.org/web/20111104071315/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.php?m=03&id=field-other#link#:~:text=The DragonBall world holds %20a%20quirky%20worldview


The world
In the Dragon Ball worldview, there is the Hermetic Universe, and there is the Demon Realm that takes on the appearance of the reverse side of that.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=In Dragon Ball's world-view, there is the airtight universe, and there %20is%20the%20Demon%20Realm%20that%20takes%20the%20appearance%20of%20the%20reverse%20side%20of%20that


In the world of Dragon Ball, the universe is located beneath the World Beyond, and is hermetically sealed by a barrier engraved with a strange design.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=In the world of Dragon Ball, the universe is located beneath the World% 20Beyond,%20and%20it%20is%20hermetically%20sealed%20by%20a%20barrier%20that%20is%20engraved%20with%20a%20strange%20design


demonic realm
It is a place that the eyes of the Kami in the World Beyond cannot see; little is known other than the fact that wicked life forms live there.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=The Devil Realm is a unique place within the Living World. It is% 20a%20place%20that%20the%20eyes%20of%20the%20Kami%20in%20the%20World%20Beyond%20are%20unable%20to%20see;%20little%20is%20known%20other%20than%20the%20fact%20that%20wicked %20lifeforms%20live%20there


It is 魔界, demon world/realm. I think Viz uses "plane" to emphasize that it's some sort of alternate dimension rather than a planet. They used it for Yu Yu Hakusho [also.]


https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1381776815295897602?t=EbMXpk-D9xATo7YyDjPuiA&s=19


A world in a dimension on the other side of the "universe", which is the world where people exist. It's different from "Hell"; it is a world confirmed to be in the World of the Living. However, magic has greater influence than science.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=A world in a dimension on the other side of "the universe,% 22%20which%20is%20the%20world%20where%20people%20exist.%20It%20differs%20from%20%22Hell;%22%20it%20is%20a%20world%20confirmed%20to%20be%20in%20the%20Living% 20World


Another World (generally)
The Cosmos: A supernatural realm presided over by the [gods.]


https://twitter.com/Chosen48005222/status/1355149987529830402?t=q1In57z4zsK5qT-IF_9KZg&s=19


High above the heavens and unknown to humans, there exists this extra-dimensional world of divinity, from which the gods look down on the entire mortal realm.


https://twitter.com/Cipher_db/status/1355360261775867907?t=UsFkN7ujQRvLpLSW9fyFlA&s=19


A spiritual world where there are souls who have lost their physical bodies.
The World Beyond, a location also called the Celestial Realm, can usually only be accessed by dead people and Kami.
Each area is in a top-down locational relationship. And from Hell to Enma Realm, free movement is impossible, and only by special methods is it possible to go from Enma Realm to Kaiou Realm.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=The World Beyond, a location also called the Heavenly Realm, can generally only %20be%20entered%20by%20dead%20people,%20and%20Kami


Ordinary lifeforms cannot travel freely from the World of the Living to the World Beyond. The only way to go is by turning into souls after death. However, there are some who are allowed to travel by the Kami of the World Beyond, though they are few in number.
He can come and go between the planets of the underworld.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=Ordinary lifeforms cannot freely travel from the Living World to the World Beyond.% 20The%20only%20way%20to%20go%20is%20by%20turning%20into%20souls%20upon%20death


He can come and go between the planets of the underworld


https://web.archive.org/web/20111104071121/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.php?m=02&id=race#link#:~:text=He can come and go %20between%20the%20planets%20of%20the%20lower%20world


An art whose use is limited to only a select few among the people of the Celestial Realm. Using this art, they constantly observe the situation in the lower realm.


https://web.archive.org/web/2011110...daiz07.php?m=04&id=attack_d-f#far-seeing_arts


Kaio Kingdom


The extent of the Kaiou Realm is unknown, but in the vast scope of the World Beyond, three other Kaiou Planets float just like the North Kaiou Planet. Heaven and Planet Dai Kaiou are also contained within the Kaiou Realm.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=The Kaiou Realm's extent is unknown, but in the vast scope of% 20the%20World%20Beyond,%20three%20other%20Planet%20Kaiou%20float%20just%20like%20the%20North%20Planet%20Kaiou%20does


kingdom of yemma
The world around King Enma's palace. Bound for heaven or hell, a temporary holding area for souls not yet determined. Its exact dimensions are unknown.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=The world around King Enma's palace. Heaven-bound or Hell-bound, a %20temporary%20waiting%20area%20for%20yet%20to%20be%20determined%20souls.%20Its%20exact%20dimensions%20are%20unknown


Kai's Holy World
A separate world that revolves around the afterlife and the entire universe as a satellite to research them. It's impossible to get here except by teleporting.


https://web.archive.org/web/20111104071315/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.php?m=03&id=field-other#link#:~:text=A separate world that %20revolves%20around%20the%20afterlife%20and%20the%20entire%20universe%20like%20a%20satellite%20in%20order%20to%20survey%20them


The world where the Kaioushin, the highest-ranking beings among the Kaiou, live. Its scope is about one-tenth the combined space of the World Beyond and the Living World. Endlessly revolving around the circumference of the World Beyond and the Living World, they watch over the entire world and maintain balance.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=The world where the Kaioushin, the highest ranking beings among the Kaiou, live


All lifeforms except Kaioushin, and all souls, cannot enter the Kaioushin Realm. The only ways to visit the Kaioushin Realm are by borrowing Kibito's power, or coming via Shunkan Idou.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=All lifeforms, other than Kaioushin, and all souls, cannot enter the Kaioushin% 20Realm.%20The%20only%20ways%20to%20visit%20the%20Kaioushin%20Realm%20are%20by%20borrowing%20Kibito%27s%20power,%20or%20by%20coming%20via%20Shunkan%20Idou


To sum it all up: The Otherworld is a transcendent spirit world - hermetically isolated from the World of the Living, a lower realm compared to them, and completely blocked off from the World of the Living, with only the dead and those allowed by the gods. be able to access it. The only reason the "extra-dimensional" and "higher realm" jargon was created was to drive home the point that the Otherworld does not operate under the same space-time continuum as the World of the Living - this statement is utterly silly. . Not only is the Otherworld considered a world beyond the World of the Living, but they are stated countless times to be completely separate from the World of the Living - dimensionally sealed, by the way.


The sub-realms within the Otherworld are also separate from each other to some degree. It is impossible to travel freely between the Yemma Realm, a dimension of unknown size, and Hell, and only by special methods such as teleportation or divine transport is it possible to reach the Kaio Realm.


The Living World is the dimension that contains both the Universe our cast lives in and the Demon Realm, an alternate dimension that not even those from the world beyond, Kaio, can perceive, and which operates on a different set of laws than the Universe of ours. cast. based on magic. As magic has a much greater influence in this realm than actual science, it's safe to assume that this dimension also operates on its own space-time continuum, or whatever the mystical-demonic equivalent of one is, much like the Room of Spirit and Time (and by extension, Whis' training dimension), which also contains its own diluted space-time continuum, albeit on a smaller scale, in which time flows much faster than it does in the outside world.


This final text is from @Nullflower


yes, my friend, the Universes are space-time separated and it has been shown that there are multiple space-times in Universe 7

right here if you didn't understand the ending

 
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"If it had the same space-time the earth of universe 6 would be there, as we can see, the Universes do not share the same space-time, now I will show you one more statement of that."


Toby (Edit : Luffy, my bad) , this point is completely irrelevant. Patchwork Universes exist.

Basically, a patchwork universe is a (literally) infinitely long space time where all possible configurations of matter appear and repeat themselves as infinitum.

It's possible to have multiple iterations of the observable universe ,with different histories, within the same timestream, so this point alone is completely useless. No offense.
 
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LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Already starting with the refutation!


There is a neutral space separating the Universes, as you can see in this quote right here.





It is mentioned exactly here that to travel between other Universes you need a transport cube





Here champa mentions that it would be impossible to reach hitto assassin if he gets his cube





Without further ado or delay, here it shows a space between Universes


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why is any of this relevant? i don't understand

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Now let's disprove about the Universes not having separate space-times!


Exactly here it is mentioned that different events changed the planet Earth of Universe 6





If it had the same space-time the earth of universe 6 would be there, as we can see, the Universes do not share the same space-time, now I will show you one more statement of that.
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i don't see how this proves different space times, it has a version of earth and mankind, unless you are suggesting that they are branch version of one another?

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Vegeta mentions that the Saiyan does not have a tail and found it strange, in the same scan Vegeta asks about Saiyans being Frieza's slave, he mentions that this never happened, now in that same scan it is said that different things happened in this universe, in the same scan mentioned, it is described that the planet sadala still exists, and in universe 7 it was blown into a thousand pieces


https://imgur.com/a/mAb9Nov
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same as above
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Now I ask you, how can Universes have the same space-time, when different things happened?
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because it is different universes? and two similar but yet different people and locations?

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Now let's go to different dimensions, there is a dimension below beerus' planet, I call it limbo or emptiness


https://imgur.com/a/yKo4kWJ


In the Brazilian subtitle in Dragon Ball in episode 18 the name of this dimension is shown


https://imgur.com/a/z5KDR6p


Translation


"If they fall, they will go to limbo, with no return."
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don't see how that is relevant, also brazilian translation are not to be used, just stick to the original dialogue

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
And yes my friends, the Dragon Ball databook is official and Akira toriyama himself agrees, removing it as non-canon is like denying everything about DB


https://imgur.com/a/fkaoET7


This Daizenshuu, the 7th and final one, is a huge Dragon Ball encyclopedia. I think the staff who make these books always have a rough time of it, but this one looked even more hellish than usual. They really did a great job. I’m ridiculously forgetful, so despite being the author, there’s lots of stuff even I don’t know anymore. It was often quite a nuisance, and I think having this encyclopedia around when the series was still running would have really helped me out. Darn it all.
Anyway, my thanks to the staff, and to all Dragon Ball fans.


— Akira Toriyama
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they are considered secondary canon here, don't see why you found it nescesary to show it here when it has nothing to do with this

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
in the novel of the film Dragon Ball Super Broly it is said that the Universe could not handle such energy and sent him to that place, explanation of what the dimension is


Brolly and Gogeta destroyed a dimension named super-dimensional, wanted to discuss this with the team members for what it means for this dimension having the name superdimensional


where is mentioned super dimensional


https://imgur.com/a/oBvN5Br


Hermes said about the super dimensional dimension


"It's a type of place that doesn’t exist in reality, like an alternate dimension"


right here that is mentioned


https://imgur.com/a/Jeg2xUC
https://imgur.com/a/3q9N5Al


dimension source


https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1041125365278633984?t=NXCMVCrVrswY4tfS-Mpdsg&s=19


right here on the official website of DB talks about the dimension


https://imgur.com/a/3T3XcEd


Here exactly talks about super dimensional images what should be talking about the dimension


https://imgur.com/a/5WZ4Pda


and here confirms that she is a super dimensional dimension


https://imgur.com/a/oBvN5Br


website where he talks about dimension and how it was made, also how they created a movie


https://dragonball.news/news/dbmfl28.html


dimension they destroyed


https://imgur.com/a/tSZZzVT
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how is any of this relevant to this thread?

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Now let's talk about the databook itself stating about the afterlife, which is separated into four parts (I got these reasoning from Null, only these parts)


The World of the Dragon (general)


The [Dragon Ball] world has a peculiar worldview: the macrocosm is divided into four areas, the afterlife that takes care of the macrocosm, and the Kaioshin Realm that surrounds the perimeter of the afterlife and the macrocosm. We will introduce you to the countless eye-opening worlds.


https://web.archive.org/web/20111104071315/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.php?m=03&id=field-other#link#:~:text=The DragonBall world holds %20a%20quirky%20worldview


The world
In the Dragon Ball worldview, there is the Hermetic Universe, and there is the Demon Realm that takes on the appearance of the reverse side of that.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=In Dragon Ball's world-view, there is the airtight universe, and there %20is%20the%20Demon%20Realm%20that%20takes%20the%20appearance%20of%20the%20reverse%20side%20of%20that


In the world of Dragon Ball, the universe is located beneath the World Beyond, and is hermetically sealed by a barrier engraved with a strange design.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=In the world of Dragon Ball, the universe is located beneath the World% 20Beyond,%20and%20it%20is%20hermetically%20sealed%20by%20a%20barrier%20that%20is%20engraved%20with%20a%20strange%20design


demonic realm
It is a place that the eyes of the Kami in the World Beyond cannot see; little is known other than the fact that wicked life forms live there.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=The Devil Realm is a unique place within the Living World. It is% 20a%20place%20that%20the%20eyes%20of%20the%20Kami%20in%20the%20World%20Beyond%20are%20unable%20to%20see;%20little%20is%20known%20other%20than%20the%20fact%20that%20wicked %20lifeforms%20live%20there


It is 魔界, demon world/realm. I think Viz uses "plane" to emphasize that it's some sort of alternate dimension rather than a planet. They used it for Yu Yu Hakusho [also.]


https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1381776815295897602?t=EbMXpk-D9xATo7YyDjPuiA&s=19


A world in a dimension on the other side of the "universe", which is the world where people exist. It's different from "Hell"; it is a world confirmed to be in the World of the Living. However, magic has greater influence than science.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=A world in a dimension on the other side of "the universe,% 22%20which%20is%20the%20world%20where%20people%20exist.%20It%20differs%20from%20%22Hell;%22%20it%20is%20a%20world%20confirmed%20to%20be%20in%20the%20Living% 20World


Another World (generally)
The Cosmos: A supernatural realm presided over by the [gods.]


https://twitter.com/Chosen48005222/status/1355149987529830402?t=q1In57z4zsK5qT-IF_9KZg&s=19


High above the heavens and unknown to humans, there exists this extra-dimensional world of divinity, from which the gods look down on the entire mortal realm.


https://twitter.com/Cipher_db/status/1355360261775867907?t=UsFkN7ujQRvLpLSW9fyFlA&s=19


A spiritual world where there are souls who have lost their physical bodies.
The World Beyond, a location also called the Celestial Realm, can usually only be accessed by dead people and Kami.
Each area is in a top-down locational relationship. And from Hell to Enma Realm, free movement is impossible, and only by special methods is it possible to go from Enma Realm to Kaiou Realm.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=The World Beyond, a location also called the Heavenly Realm, can generally only %20be%20entered%20by%20dead%20people,%20and%20Kami


Ordinary lifeforms cannot travel freely from the World of the Living to the World Beyond. The only way to go is by turning into souls after death. However, there are some who are allowed to travel by the Kami of the World Beyond, though they are few in number.
He can come and go between the planets of the underworld.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=Ordinary lifeforms cannot freely travel from the Living World to the World Beyond.% 20The%20only%20way%20to%20go%20is%20by%20turning%20into%20souls%20upon%20death


He can come and go between the planets of the underworld


https://web.archive.org/web/20111104071121/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.php?m=02&id=race#link#:~:text=He can come and go %20between%20the%20planets%20of%20the%20lower%20world


An art whose use is limited to only a select few among the people of the Celestial Realm. Using this art, they constantly observe the situation in the lower realm.


https://web.archive.org/web/2011110...daiz07.php?m=04&id=attack_d-f#far-seeing_arts


Kaio Kingdom


The extent of the Kaiou Realm is unknown, but in the vast scope of the World Beyond, three other Kaiou Planets float just like the North Kaiou Planet. Heaven and Planet Dai Kaiou are also contained within the Kaiou Realm.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=The Kaiou Realm's extent is unknown, but in the vast scope of% 20the%20World%20Beyond,%20three%20other%20Planet%20Kaiou%20float%20just%20like%20the%20North%20Planet%20Kaiou%20does


kingdom of yemma
The world around King Enma's palace. Bound for heaven or hell, a temporary holding area for souls not yet determined. Its exact dimensions are unknown.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=The world around King Enma's palace. Heaven-bound or Hell-bound, a %20temporary%20waiting%20area%20for%20yet%20to%20be%20determined%20souls.%20Its%20exact%20dimensions%20are%20unknown


Kai's Holy World
A separate world that revolves around the afterlife and the entire universe as a satellite to research them. It's impossible to get here except by teleporting.


https://web.archive.org/web/20111104071315/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.php?m=03&id=field-other#link#:~:text=A separate world that %20revolves%20around%20the%20afterlife%20and%20the%20entire%20universe%20like%20a%20satellite%20in%20order%20to%20survey%20them


The world where the Kaioushin, the highest-ranking beings among the Kaiou, live. Its scope is about one-tenth the combined space of the World Beyond and the Living World. Endlessly revolving around the circumference of the World Beyond and the Living World, they watch over the entire world and maintain balance.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=The world where the Kaioushin, the highest ranking beings among the Kaiou, live


All lifeforms except Kaioushin, and all souls, cannot enter the Kaioushin Realm. The only ways to visit the Kaioushin Realm are by borrowing Kibito's power, or coming via Shunkan Idou.


https://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-worldview.php#:~:text=All lifeforms, other than Kaioushin, and all souls, cannot enter the Kaioushin% 20Realm.%20The%20only%20ways%20to%20visit%20the%20Kaioushin%20Realm%20are%20by%20borrowing%20Kibito%27s%20power,%20or%20by%20coming%20via%20Shunkan%20Idou


To sum it all up: The Otherworld is a transcendent spirit world - hermetically isolated from the World of the Living, a lower realm compared to them, and completely blocked off from the World of the Living, with only the dead and those allowed by the gods. be able to access it. The only reason the "extra-dimensional" and "higher realm" jargon was created was to drive home the point that the Otherworld does not operate under the same space-time continuum as the World of the Living - this statement is utterly silly. . Not only is the Otherworld considered a world beyond the World of the Living, but they are stated countless times to be completely separate from the World of the Living - dimensionally sealed, by the way.
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extra dimension doesn't mean that without strong evidence, "Adjective. extradimensional (not comparable) (science fiction) Originating outside the known physical reality of the universe" aka outside the dimension, all of them are outside the normal dimension, but they all are shown to have the same time flow/time dimension, with nothing saying that they are different space times

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
The sub-realms within the Otherworld are also separate from each other to some degree. It is impossible to travel freely between the Yemma Realm, a dimension of unknown size, and Hell, and only by special methods such as teleportation or divine transport is it possible to reach the Kaio Realm.


The Living World is the dimension that contains both the Universe our cast lives in and the Demon Realm, an alternate dimension that not even those from the world beyond, Kaio, can perceive, and which operates on a different set of laws than the Universe of ours. cast. based on magic. As magic has a much greater influence in this realm than actual science, it's safe to assume that this dimension also operates on its own space-time continuum, or whatever the mystical-demonic equivalent of one is
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no? you have no proof that "laws" is also talking about laws of reality, specially when technology is cited

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
, much like the Room of Spirit and Time (and by extension, Whis' training dimension), which also contains its own diluted space-time continuum, albeit on a smaller scale, in which time flows much faster than it does in the outside world.
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neither of those are confirmed to be part of the universe or timeline, the whole reason this thread was created is because the rosat is not part of the universe in the first place decided in the last thread
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
This final text is from @Nullflower


yes, my friend, the Universes are space-time separated and it has been shown that there are multiple space-times in Universe 7
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1 this is not accepted that place like the afterlife are their own space times, if they were goku BoG would be tier 2, if you want to change that make a thread, but don't derail please
2 most of the things you shown doesn't prove that the realms are their own space times


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most of this is using not accepted stuff while also not showing enough proofs for the claim of every real in the macrocosm to be another space time while ignoring the last thread
 
omegabronic said:
why is any of this relevant? i don't understand


i don't see how this proves different space times, it has a version of earth and mankind, unless you are suggesting that they are branch version of one another?


same as above

because it is different universes? and two similar but yet different people and locations?


don't see how that is relevant, also brazilian translation are not to be used, just stick to the original dialogue


they are considered secondary canon here, don't see why you found it nescesary to show it here when it has nothing to do with this


how is any of this relevant to this thread?


extra dimension doesn't mean that without strong evidence, "Adjective. extradimensional (not comparable) (science fiction) Originating outside the known physical reality of the universe" aka outside the dimension, all of them are outside the normal dimension, but they all are shown to have the same time flow/time dimension, with nothing saying that they are different space times


no? you have no proof that "laws" is also talking about laws of reality, specially when technology is cited


neither of those are confirmed to be part of the universe or timeline, the whole reason this thread was created is because the rosat is not part of the universe in the first place decided in the last thread

1 this is not accepted that place like the afterlife are their own space times, if they were goku BoG would be tier 2, if you want to change that make a thread, but don't derail please
2 most of the things you shown doesn't prove that the realms are their own space times


td:dr
most of this is using not accepted stuff while also not showing enough proofs for the claim of every real in the macrocosm to be another space time while ignoring the last thread
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there is a rule about changing cosmology and using databook, how can i change something, when literally an administrator has put laws on? and still has a misinterpretation, my God.
 
omegabronic said:
they are different space times, so they logically shouldn't
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Not necessarily. There is no default logic when dealing with these things.

It's separate spacetime embedded inside the universe. If the Heaven, Hell, World of Void, all have different versions when the timeline branches off, it is more logical that the ROSAT should also.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
there is a rule about changing cosmology and using databook, how can i change something, when literally an administrator has put laws on?
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i don't know, if it is not accepted, you can't use it as an argument here, sorry i don't make the rules, with enough evidence you can change it, but until then, don't derail

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
and still has a misinterpretation, my God.
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which is?
 
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