Dragon Ball Super Revision Thread

[Dark649]

Are you serious right now? You are denying a legitimate multiplier like kaioken?

Multipliers in generals were left since the Frieza Saga.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Kaioken is a linear multiplier in speed and strength, as stated and proven in the Saiyan Saga. The Super Saiyan Multipliers were never mentioned and therefore are unreliable, but Kaioken is 100% legit.

 

[PaChi2]

@SD could you shorten it a bit? Is a tremendous wall of text for the explanation of the 3-A rating.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Kaioken is explictly show to increase speed multiple times:

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-144.jpg

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-145.jpg

^ Can't fly fast enough in time to reach Nappa, uses Kaioken and reaches it.

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-147.jpg

^ Vegeta states that his speed and power multiplied

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-148.jpg

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-149.jpg

^ Kaioken explanation, a multiplication of all stats

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-150.jpg

^ Kaioken x2 = Doubles Goku's power, proving that Kaioken is linear.

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-170.jpg

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v3&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v3-171.jpg

^ Goku states that Vegeta outclasses him in strength and speed, uses Kaioken to match casual Vegeta

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/...agon Ball Z v4&image=Dragon+Ball+Z+v4-008.jpg

^ Another statement, this time from the narrator, that Kaioken doubles your power.

 

[SomebodyData]

@PaChi well it is supposed to explain all the arcs and how they're 3-A, but maybe we can most of it to a note on the bottom.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Dark Kaioken was literally stated in story to multiply speed and strength, it's a linear multiplier, this isn't super saiyan or fusions where no multipliers are given in story, and it's only based on multipliers stated in guide books, if we accept this we will have to reject every multiplier from every other series on here, that's ridiculous.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Unite

Vegeta's feat shows that Dragon Ball Super characters can destroy space-time at least on a Planetary scale.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So I edited the Goku Super key with the justifications. You guys can edit them how you want.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Can we finally admit that Gohan is comparable to Super Saiyan Blue Goku?

 

[Golden_Void]

As for keys...

BoG | RoF - Zen Exhibition Match | Tournament of Power

Attack Potency: Universe level (He and Beerus' clash threatened the universe multiple times. Eventually, Goku absorbed the power of SSG, and surpassed it) | Universe level (Attained SSB, which adds godly ki to his Super Saiyan form, similar to how SSG adds godly ki to his base form. He combined kaioken with SSB, which doubles his power, against Fusion Zamasu, Bergamo, and Hit, though he used SSB + KKx10 on the latter, multiplying his power by 10) | Universe level(Stronger than before) <--- The rest gets filled when the arc is over.

 

[SomebodyData]

@Unite I don't know much about Afterlife being another space-time, but I do know the ROSAT was only planetary in size, making the feat unqualifiable.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Can we finally admit that Gohan is comparable to Super Saiyan Blue Goku?

That should be fine. I mean, if the likes of Cabba are 3-A, he should be.

 

[Dark649]

Well without Kaioken, he would have not been able to fight Vegeta, so the boost is reasonable. [Ginyu also was impressed by Goku increasing his power with it]

 

[Golden_Void]

As for the replies to the ROSAT, I know it's planetary in size, just wanted to make the connection that two 4-B beings could only make a hole in it, whereas Vegeta destroyed it entirely. :^)

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Universe level (After unleashing his hidden potential once again, which Vegeta previously admitted to be greater than his and Goku's powers, Gohan could easily hurt and ragdoll Super Saiyan 2 Goku. Requested Goku to fight him at full-strength, which prompted Goku to turn Super Saiyan Blue. Clashed with SSB Goku and forced him to use Kaioke to defeat him. Was stated by the narrator to have power that rivaled Goku's)

How's this for Gohan's AP justification?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Looks nice.

 

[Megamangohan]

@Matt, YES

 

[Grudgeman1706]

I Can agree with @Unite my rices justifications I suppose.

 

[Dark649]

Yes, but Toei closed the video about Vegeta, also Goku and Gohan fought evenly before and the latter always asked Goku to fight at full power, so the MFTL+ Watagash speed is also reasonable.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

I don't have any problem with Goku being FTL via kaioken, considering he reacted to multiple of Frieza's projectiles (which are apparently faster than his Supernova projectile) at very close ranges.

 

[Golden_Void]

SS2 Goku ragdolled him just as bad, if not worse tbh.

The first video doesn't work because the channel got terminated. But seeing how we have 3-A base Goku then a lot of people are going to be 3-A now lol.

 

[Dark649]

Remember. Mecha Frieza Supernova >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Base Frieza Supernova.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Unite

Yeah, but Gohan wasn't going all out in the first match alongside Piccolo. It was the second time they fought that he forced Goku to use SSJB

 

[Golden_Void]

How is Base Frieza >>> Mecha Frieza?

 

[FTW395]

Remember. Mecha Frieza Supernova <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Base Frieza Supernova.

Is this a joke? That makes no sense

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think he got the signs wrong.

 

[Dark649]

I inverted the sign by mistake, since i was typing too fast.

 

[Golden_Void]

@Matt

Yeah I'm talking about their actual fight lol. Before that gif, Goku was trashing Gohan, and after Goku punches him in the face and they go toe to toe.

 

[Dark649]

@Unite
Yeah, but Gohan wasn't going all out in the first match alongside Piccolo. It was the second time they fought that he forced Goku to use SSJB

Piccolo scales since he chocked SS2 Gohan, who stated how did he got stronger?. He also managed to hit Ultimate Gohan by a distraction.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

That's what I meant. Gohan was only going at 100% at the end, hence the repeated "My full strength!" lines over and over.

 

[Dark649]

Is the Combat Speed, Reactions and Short Boost Speed things necessary?.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I find it redundant.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

What should we do with Ganos?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPts7jo9WT4&t=0
A dbz freestyle pretty cool

Wrong thread. This goes on the Discussion thread.

 

[Dark649]

What should we do with Ganos?

Remember that Goku fought Base Ganos and Roshi devoid of emotions.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So 3-A Ganos?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Base Goku is super hard to judge because he holds back A LOT to enjoy fights.

3-A Roshi would be an outlier, as would be 3-A any other human. Let's wait for the tournament to continue.

OBD / God Movement also don't accept Universal Roshi.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well Ganos is done fighting now.

 

[Amexim]

The whole idea of justifying the PIS of DBZ's speed just a bunch of people debating against DC and more consistent verses cucking down and not calling PIS for what it is, imho. I mean, the Combat Speed/Short Bursts stuff doesn't make much sense tbh. But Gohan should be universal, even making Goku try, so questioning the specifics still results in the same rating.

Should we discuss a composite set of sheets or is that asking for Ragnorak?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think that we should focus on the Pre-Tournament characters for now.