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Yeah we i too think we need a third profile for Goku there is also a new 3A form coming so tcurrent page may have too much keys
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Dragon Ball Super Revision Thread
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Just wanted to make sure we don't forget about base Copy-Vegeta, since he is Vegeta.
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There are still fans who think current base Goku,Vegeta etc.. are still at their buu saga level lol
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Quoting my keys from earlier, since the current topic has been addressed.Unite My Rice said:
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If Goku surpasses Beerus then his ROF to ZEM key would be when he was weaker than him and his TOP Key for when (if) he is stronger than him. It would come in handy in newer vs threads to come.
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I have done the edits now the only things that remains are to:
1) Analyze Roshi, Tien and 18 for a possible future upgrade.
2) Botamo did this, took the combined attacks from Piccolo, Roshi, Krillin and Gohan while probably not using his ability and tried to shoot Ultimate Gohan.
3) Remove the Combat Speed, Reactions and Short Bust Speed from the pages.
4) Remove the Frieza Beam Speed of Light reasoning from the profiles and speed scales them from the Kaioken.
5) Speed rescale the Non-Canon characters via the Anime Piccolo and Kaioken boost since i have never seen Anime Super Saiyan Goku outpace his own ship.
1) Analyze Roshi, Tien and 18 for a possible future upgrade.
2) Botamo did this, took the combined attacks from Piccolo, Roshi, Krillin and Gohan while probably not using his ability and tried to shoot Ultimate Gohan.
3) Remove the Combat Speed, Reactions and Short Bust Speed from the pages.
4) Remove the Frieza Beam Speed of Light reasoning from the profiles and speed scales them from the Kaioken.
5) Speed rescale the Non-Canon characters via the Anime Piccolo and Kaioken boost since i have never seen Anime Super Saiyan Goku outpace his own ship.
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@Julian
Guarantee you Beerus gets another boost. :^) Beerus is getting Hercule level excuses
Guarantee you Beerus gets another boost. :^) Beerus is getting Hercule level excuses
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@Dark 5) go to Cooler's reasoning, it links the calc which should link the video.
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Dark649 said:
1) Wait.
2) Botamo has already decided to not scale. He just knocked Goku off-balance and was much weaker.
3) Okay.
4) Okay.
5) It comes from King Kai stating that he is unable to track the movement of SSJ Goku and Freeza with his antenna, while he could track Goku's ship just fine.
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Just a minor note, but did anyone change the resistance to soul destruction to existence erasure or do you guys want me to change it?
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You can do it.
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Done
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Minor detail, but should the OP really be used to justify Jiren's scaling?
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I changed it to him stomping Kale, who stomped Super Saiyan Blue Goku.
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It wasn't really a stomp, Goku wasn't even injured.
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Kale only grabbed Goku and throwed him away, then Jiren arrived. Does Hit needs the adaptation ability since he adapted to Dyspo or Limited Reactive Evoltion is fine?.
Also i found out that Anime Frieza can create whirlwinds from his mouth (First Form), directed pillars of lava at Goku and caused a lightning bolt to fall and hit himself with no damage (Final Form), so does these can be applied to Cooler since they are brothers or they are Anime Frieza only?. Lastly Matthew can write the new speeds unless they are the same as currently down there.
Also i found out that Anime Frieza can create whirlwinds from his mouth (First Form), directed pillars of lava at Goku and caused a lightning bolt to fall and hit himself with no damage (Final Form), so does these can be applied to Cooler since they are brothers or they are Anime Frieza only?. Lastly Matthew can write the new speeds unless they are the same as currently down there.
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I will write the new speeds.
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What new speeds?
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revising the DBZ speeds.
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From the thing with me before, or...
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DBZ gonna get downgrades
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No. The Sub-Relativistic+ speed feat cannot be an outlier because Frieza Death Ball speed is Relativistic and there is a similar speed feat in the Frieza Saga where Frieza throwed Goku inside the telekinetic ball and was able to escape from it and reach Piccolo and the others instantly, we cannot use Whis feat to downgrade them because there is the Outlier DB Solar Flare FTL speed. Also we all agree that the Kaioken gives a massive boost in all the stats including speed.Ssr4vegito said:
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Because they are bothers IIRC
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@Dark. None of the things you've named surpass 2% SoL. Also, do we consider Solar Flare real light?
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Wait, are we back to the whole FTL discussion again?
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Frieza Death Ball Speed was calced at Relativistic and when i tried to downgrade the Dragon Speeds, the entire stuff did not agreed, so i'm sure the same would happen with your speed downgrade. Celestial Pegasus, it's not the FTL speed it's about the all higher dbz speeds.
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I will edit the profiles myself.
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So basically what you guys are saying is that base Goku absorbed the power of SSG, but not the speed? Really? So he only absorbed the brute strength and ki output level of SSG? If then, base Goku should be getting blitzed all the time if he's not as fast as SSG. Furthermore, the SSJ transformations not only multiply strength, but also speed. So even after a huge increase in speed due to SSJ transformations, along with his already 3-A base, SSG is still faster? That's why he went SSG?
What you're saying is that SSG is equal to base form Goku, yet for some reason it's still faster than SSJ Goku despite the fact that SSJ Goku increases speed by quite a bit. Or are you guys implying that base Goku only absorbed the strength, but not the speed? Why would that even be the case? When Goku absorbed SSG, he was able to fight Beerus in base, meaning that his base form not only increased in strength, but also in speed. Otherwise, he would have gotten the living shit blitzed out of him, even if Beerus was only using 0.0000000001% of his power. Yet SSJ is supposed to increase strength and speed, and he's still slower than SSG? When his base form is already equal to SSG? That doesn't make any sense.
SSG now has zero increase in strength but only an increase in speed? None of this makes much sense.
What you're saying is that SSG is equal to base form Goku, yet for some reason it's still faster than SSJ Goku despite the fact that SSJ Goku increases speed by quite a bit. Or are you guys implying that base Goku only absorbed the strength, but not the speed? Why would that even be the case? When Goku absorbed SSG, he was able to fight Beerus in base, meaning that his base form not only increased in strength, but also in speed. Otherwise, he would have gotten the living shit blitzed out of him, even if Beerus was only using 0.0000000001% of his power. Yet SSJ is supposed to increase strength and speed, and he's still slower than SSG? When his base form is already equal to SSG? That doesn't make any sense.
SSG now has zero increase in strength but only an increase in speed? None of this makes much sense.
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What are you on about? Base goku=ssg goku, speed and strength included, now he can use ssg as a transformation in addition to his already boosted base form, that's it.
Personally i think it's asinine writing that everyone now scales to base goku and as such universal, but it happened so we just have to accept it.
Personally i think it's asinine writing that everyone now scales to base goku and as such universal, but it happened so we just have to accept it.
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Why would base Goku get blitzed?
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DBS officially has the worst power scaling ever and the worst justification ever for this big of an increase in tiers in the history of VS battles wiki if this is the reason. Seriously? They're all gonna just jump more than an entire tier from this horribly vague, fanmade, not even confirmed "reason"?
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Dude, we have characters who jump from 4-B to High 2-A...This is nothing.
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We have characters who jump from 10-C to 1-B...
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Yes, I know. But these characters had a good reason to jump from 4-B to High 2-A. They had good proof, good evidence, etc. Or at least better than this "reasoning" for DBS.Dragonmasterxyz said:
I'm not saying that DBS had the biggest increase in tier, i'm saying that they had the worst justification for this big of an increase in tiers.
All of this is just so vague and inconsistent that it's ridiculous to make all these characters 3-A. Most of this is honestly just fan speculation. But whatever, by the end of the series i'm pretty sure even ******* Yamcha's gonna become 3-A. Becoming 3-A in DBS is easier than 1+1 so who even cares at this point.
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First off calm down. Instead of berating us, how about you give counters to all our points. Otherwise you're just throwing a tantrum.
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