DRAGON BALL SUPER MANGA SPEED UPGRADE :O (PART 2)

[Tom4t0GG789]

Hello Everyone!!

This is the continuation of this previous thread where the speed ratings of DBZ was upgrade. Now this new thread is to talk about speed ratings of DBS manga

Spoiler: Goku God > Vegito

According to Goku in the anime and movie even If him and Vegeta get fused don't have chance against Beerus

In the manga there isn't this mention but Goku after get the Super Saiyan God says that never image that this world exist

I will make a supossed. I think that Goku make reference at Vegito SS3. If Gotenks can became in SS3. Why wouldn't Vegito be able to do it?

For this motive I considerate that Goku SSG > Vegito SS3 (Buu Saga)

Spoiler: Vegito ~ Gods of destructions?

In the Vegito's profile says he rivals Beerus. For the mention of Shin and the V-Jump

But the reason I disagree is because:

Toyotaro in the Comic-Con 2017 says that at the moment we don't know if this is true or not.

Also according Herms the Shin statement is about the Vegito's power and don't is 100% sure that is correct this mention

Spoiler: Goku UI > Gogeta

I don't understand why Gogeta Blue is compared to Super Saiyan Broly

While it can be scaled by mentioning that the base power of a fusion will be higher than the maximum power of the individuals

Which was raised when Goku mentions that the power of a fusion will give one that neither individually would achieve on their own. Something that was demonstrated when Vegetto in Base with a casual attack managed to do more damage than Goku did in SSB or similar to Vegeta with his Gama Burst Flash.

On Gogeta's side it also applies because in base he managed to rivals Super Saiyan Broly (In the novel says that is superior [I need help wiith this]) who previously put aside a Kamehameha and Galick Gun combined by Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta as if it were nothing.

(I know this applies to your anime profile, but I think it should be taken into account when scaling to manga)

So in this case, taking that into account, the minimum would be like this:

Gogeta Base > Goku SSB or Vegeta SSB

Also, according to this panel, Goku UI surpassed Broly Super Saiyan While it can be interpreted with durability, Herms suggested that the most accurate option would be about strength

Edit: According to the manga, Goku doubts his victory against Broly
Which would imply that Gogeta SSB ~ Broly SS Full Power

So it would be Goku UI > Gogeta SSB

And taking into account that the desire to be the strongest in the universe of Granola and Gas does not include the gods of destruction, then:

Beerus > Gas > Goku UI and Vegeta > Gogeta SSB (Broly movie)

And that's about it, hopefully this doesn't derail.

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[DivineAura44]

Why wouldn't Vegito be able to do it?

Argument from incredulity?
There's a chance that the Metamoran pulls from power that the Potara doesn't and the Potara doesn't allowed you to transform into a form that both users don't have. I think it's faulty to assume Vegito could go SSJ3 without further evidence.

 

[DivineAura44]

It's also more likely that "I didn't know a world like this existed" is referring to the feeling of God Ki, not his strength.

 

[StekFence]

Honestly, that statement always felt to me like it referred to his power.

It's also more likely that "I never imagined a world like this could exist" is referring to the feeling of God Ki, not his strength.

 

[DivineAura44]

Honestly, that statement always felt to me like it referred to his power.

Fair interpretation, that's just not how I see it. Piccolo's question is likely what makes me feel that way. It's not "How does it feel to be as strong as a God?", it's "How does it feel to become a God?"
If someone asked you the latter, wouldn't you clarify by saying "This amount of power, it's beyond a level I could imagine" if you truly meant strength?

That's just my subjective opinion, I'm probably outnumbered here.

 

[StekFence]

There's a chance that the Metamoran pulls from power that the Potara doesn't and the Potara doesn't allowed you to transform into a form that both users don't have.

This is an assumption that has no basis. The only reason we never see vegito go higher then ssj until the black arc is because he never needed to. And by the black arc, ssj3 was obsolete. Goku is capable of going super saiyan 3, vegito has the same knowledge, and is far more capable. It thus seems more reasonable to assume Vegito could do it, rather than can’t.

 

[Tyri456]

> Also, according to this panel, Goku UI surpassed Gogeta SSB (Broly movie) While it can be interpreted with durability, Herms suggested that the most accurate option would be about strength

That panel imply at best, Moro > Broly

But Gogeta destroyed Broly without effort too, so I don’t really know where this logic comes from.

 

[Tom4t0GG789]

> Also, according to this panel, Goku UI surpassed Gogeta SSB (Broly movie) While it can be interpreted with durability, Herms suggested that the most accurate option would be about strength

That panel imply at best, Moro > Broly

But Gogeta destroyed Broly without effort too, so I don’t really know where this logic comes from.

True, sorry, I'll make the change now.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Disagree with the Goku UI > Gogeta Blue thing, because the strongest opponent Goku faced up to that point was either Brolt or Jiren, both are far below Gogeta Blue in terms of power

Considering Gogeta is not mentiomed in the statement and Goku was talking about opponents he faced, I don't think he outright scales above Gogeta. Moro would be stronger than Broly and Jiren though