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Super Saiyan God Julian said:
I just love how, despite all of this time, the Z-Fighters are going to get bodied by Beerus, again.
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 88
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Apparently he could potentially destroy "all universes".
Makes sense, considering Toki Toki is responsible for the existence of "all dimensions"
Makes sense, considering Toki Toki is responsible for the existence of "all dimensions"
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How? I needs to here some plot holes.Dragomer said:
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its wild how cell juniors just be alive in the manga
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DBS anime leak : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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I knew what it was going to be before I clicked on it but I clicked on it anyways
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I literally got an add just as it was about to start so I saved myself.
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2-A base Goku with resistance to Causality, Reality, Space-Time, Fate, Matter, Mind, Probability, Law, Concept, Soul, Existence, and Plot hax with Mid-Godly regen wen?
Seriously though, when the BoG movie dropped, God Goku being maybe 3-C from a vague statement about Beerus in an interview was enough of a milestone. Then episode 12 dropped and half of the versus commmunity dropped dead on the spot at the thought of Goku being 3-A/Low 2-C.
Seriously though, when the BoG movie dropped, God Goku being maybe 3-C from a vague statement about Beerus in an interview was enough of a milestone. Then episode 12 dropped and half of the versus commmunity dropped dead on the spot at the thought of Goku being 3-A/Low 2-C.
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That reminds me, in cooler movie, while he was being pushed to the star, he thought "maybe i'll just blow it instead and leave them freezing in darkness"
Was that only the dub? If not, that could be put in his profile alongside the "solar-scale explosion"
Was that only the dub? If not, that could be put in his profile alongside the "solar-scale explosion"
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Pretty sure that was dub-only.
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In DB, if you're not a saiyan, a villain, or a god, you're not allowed to be very useful or strong (there are of course some exceptions). That's the sad status quo...for now.
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The best time to have taught it was during the three year timeskip in the Android saga, or even during the week leading up to Cell. I think Piccolo could have learned it when training with Goku and Gohan in the three-year skip, then have Tien learn it from Piccolo during the Cell Games week. Piccolo, after all, went into the Time Chamber and Tien would have plenty of motive to want to learn it.
I don't think there is a good time for Krillin or Yamcha to learn the Kaio-Ken. Krillin wouldn't have gotten the chance outside of the three year timeskip and Yamcha was pretty much retired and uninterested in growing after he died against the Saibamen, willing to fight sure...but he had low opinion of his abilities as a fighter.
I don't think there is a good time for Krillin or Yamcha to learn the Kaio-Ken. Krillin wouldn't have gotten the chance outside of the three year timeskip and Yamcha was pretty much retired and uninterested in growing after he died against the Saibamen, willing to fight sure...but he had low opinion of his abilities as a fighter.
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Implying it would change at all lmao.Mr.Cinos15 said:
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Implying it has ever been different.Ionliosite said:
I don't see people complain like that about all those sci fi universe where there is 40 billion species but only humans ever do anything.
And the same people asking for more earthling are asking for less storyline on earth.
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To be fair, most aliens in fiction are usually:
Dragon Ball avoids the pitfalls of common alien blandness by having transformations and bizarre abilities like fusion, materialisation, etc. I could give less of a damn about any Star Wars species but I can easily list a dozen species in Dragon Ball that are interesting. That's why the omni-focus on Saiyans tends to be so irritating.
The Dark Souls spin on humans is the exact reason why a focus on humans could prove interesting in Dragon Ball. Sure, there is plenty of attachment involved but there is also the question of human potential. Are there human transformations? Human abilities? Something unique that human characters can have, or use to get an edge? People tend to forget that Ki Control is extremely rare in the universe, yet human martial artists are incredibly advanced at it. Hell, humans are easily among the most advanced in terms of Ki and Technology in the entire universe.
To put in another way, Goku basically gimped all of his techniques and training from humans (barring some very minor training by Yardrats, and two techniques from King Kai). Vegeta's techniques are all incredibly generic MUH POWER blasts, barring those energy rings he used ONCE.
Saiyans are basically only interesting due to Super Saiyan, and nothing else. Anything interesting about Saiyan characters has been stolen from another species in Dragon Ball. Fusion, Instant Transmission, Kamehameha, Spirit Bomb, Kaio-Ken, Afterimage, Destructo Disk, Solar Flare, hell flight was something Goku copied from Tien's homework.
- Uninteresting with zero traits making them unique
- Ugly as sin
- Sci-Fi monsters
- Just humans but slightly different (ESPECIALLY the females of said species, the males can look like freaks of nature)
Dragon Ball avoids the pitfalls of common alien blandness by having transformations and bizarre abilities like fusion, materialisation, etc. I could give less of a damn about any Star Wars species but I can easily list a dozen species in Dragon Ball that are interesting. That's why the omni-focus on Saiyans tends to be so irritating.
The Dark Souls spin on humans is the exact reason why a focus on humans could prove interesting in Dragon Ball. Sure, there is plenty of attachment involved but there is also the question of human potential. Are there human transformations? Human abilities? Something unique that human characters can have, or use to get an edge? People tend to forget that Ki Control is extremely rare in the universe, yet human martial artists are incredibly advanced at it. Hell, humans are easily among the most advanced in terms of Ki and Technology in the entire universe.
To put in another way, Goku basically gimped all of his techniques and training from humans (barring some very minor training by Yardrats, and two techniques from King Kai). Vegeta's techniques are all incredibly generic MUH POWER blasts, barring those energy rings he used ONCE.
Saiyans are basically only interesting due to Super Saiyan, and nothing else. Anything interesting about Saiyan characters has been stolen from another species in Dragon Ball. Fusion, Instant Transmission, Kamehameha, Spirit Bomb, Kaio-Ken, Afterimage, Destructo Disk, Solar Flare, hell flight was something Goku copied from Tien's homework.
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Jaco said humans aren't shit technology wise outside of Bulma and given how flying is some uber technique by earthlings standard but even fodders Freezer soldiers can fly.
So i doubt Humans are anything special in term of ki and technology, not until Gohan publish his book on ki at least.
We are told that humans are special in their capacity to produce powerfull hybrid, IE, the three eye clan and the Half-Saiyans, beyond that, even DBO has the whole humanity replaced with Saiyan hybrid.
So i doubt Humans are anything special in term of ki and technology, not until Gohan publish his book on ki at least.
We are told that humans are special in their capacity to produce powerfull hybrid, IE, the three eye clan and the Half-Saiyans, beyond that, even DBO has the whole humanity replaced with Saiyan hybrid.
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Jaco said humans aren't shit technology wise outside of Bulma
That's blatantly wrong. Doctor Briefs developed capsules, the cybernetics of Doctor Gero vastly surpass anything in Universe 7 (barring maybe Seven-Three, who relies on Moro for power) and Bulma is capable of time travel and reparing androids on the scale of Gero's expertise. Doctor Briefs was also capable of upgrading the design of a Namekian ship in just three weeks, and quadrupling its speed. To add further, Doctor Briefs developed the gravity machine and it's never seen or heard of outside of Earth.
The only things that space has, over Earth, would be their Regenerationn machines and more advanced flightcraft.
I really wouldn't use Jaco as a source.
and given how flying is some uber technique by earthlings standard but even fodders Freezer soldiers can fly.
Flight isn't difficult due to complexity, it's difficult due to energy drain. That's why Goku, even in the Saiyan Saga, prefers to use the Nimbus to conserve his energy.
So i doubt Humans are anything special in term of ki and technology,
Already explained why the technology part is wrong.
Mutaito, Roshi, Tao Pai Pai and Shen are all more advanced than pretty much everyone in space barring the Gods, Moro and Frieza. Krillin, Tien and Yamcha are all incredible prodigies who have developed their own techniques.
The Frieza Force consists of handpicked mutants across the universe, it's literally canon that Frieza recruits mutants. All of the capabilities of Zarbon, Dodoria and the Ginyu Force are natural rather than developed. And, even then, only Guldo's Time Stop and Ginyu's Body Change are even remotely advanced or unique.
Seriously, Yamcha's Spirit Ball is more advanced than anything the Frieza Force offers.
We are told that humans are special in their capacity to produce powerfull hybrid, IE, the three eye clan and the Half-Saiyans,
Yeah, and why do you think that is? Humans are extremely adaptable, skilled and advanced.
beyond that, even DBO has the whole humanity replaced with Saiyan hybrid.
Only the playable humans have Saiyan DNA, and it's extremely diluted Saiyan DNA. If anything, that shows human potential far outstrips saiyan potential. A human with a hint of saiyan ancestry is capable of extremely advanced feats of power and skill and can keep up with Namekian warriors and Majin descendants of Buu. A full saiyan can only dream of such capability, outside of extreme outliers like Goku, Vegeta and Broly.
Fact is, humans are superior at Ki Control, Technology and Martial Arts. They only lose out in the power department. Give them a hint of power, and they can keep up with Majins and Namekians.
That's blatantly wrong. Doctor Briefs developed capsules, the cybernetics of Doctor Gero vastly surpass anything in Universe 7 (barring maybe Seven-Three, who relies on Moro for power) and Bulma is capable of time travel and reparing androids on the scale of Gero's expertise. Doctor Briefs was also capable of upgrading the design of a Namekian ship in just three weeks, and quadrupling its speed. To add further, Doctor Briefs developed the gravity machine and it's never seen or heard of outside of Earth.
The only things that space has, over Earth, would be their Regenerationn machines and more advanced flightcraft.
I really wouldn't use Jaco as a source.
and given how flying is some uber technique by earthlings standard but even fodders Freezer soldiers can fly.
Flight isn't difficult due to complexity, it's difficult due to energy drain. That's why Goku, even in the Saiyan Saga, prefers to use the Nimbus to conserve his energy.
So i doubt Humans are anything special in term of ki and technology,
Already explained why the technology part is wrong.
Mutaito, Roshi, Tao Pai Pai and Shen are all more advanced than pretty much everyone in space barring the Gods, Moro and Frieza. Krillin, Tien and Yamcha are all incredible prodigies who have developed their own techniques.
The Frieza Force consists of handpicked mutants across the universe, it's literally canon that Frieza recruits mutants. All of the capabilities of Zarbon, Dodoria and the Ginyu Force are natural rather than developed. And, even then, only Guldo's Time Stop and Ginyu's Body Change are even remotely advanced or unique.
Seriously, Yamcha's Spirit Ball is more advanced than anything the Frieza Force offers.
We are told that humans are special in their capacity to produce powerfull hybrid, IE, the three eye clan and the Half-Saiyans,
Yeah, and why do you think that is? Humans are extremely adaptable, skilled and advanced.
beyond that, even DBO has the whole humanity replaced with Saiyan hybrid.
Only the playable humans have Saiyan DNA, and it's extremely diluted Saiyan DNA. If anything, that shows human potential far outstrips saiyan potential. A human with a hint of saiyan ancestry is capable of extremely advanced feats of power and skill and can keep up with Namekian warriors and Majin descendants of Buu. A full saiyan can only dream of such capability, outside of extreme outliers like Goku, Vegeta and Broly.
Fact is, humans are superior at Ki Control, Technology and Martial Arts. They only lose out in the power department. Give them a hint of power, and they can keep up with Majins and Namekians.
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Jaco is litteraly the best we have and we never see any aliens give a single shit about earth technology, Humans don't even have space ships and Toriyama said Human had pre-Cold saiyan level tech outside of space ship and combat related tech where they are clearly inferior, the same saiyans that are considered backwards barbarian by everyone who ever mentionned them even after Cold.
A Namekian ship centuries out of date by an isolationist species who only traveled to avoid extinction.
Nope, we're directly told it's a very high level technique yet fodders aliens know it almost by default.
No, you didn't, you just listed a bunch of stuff by either A : an outlier like Gero and Bulma who were already said to be the only impressive tech on earth or B : that never impressed any aliens.
Nothing ever say that, You have outliers humans in the Z fighters in term of power but they fall short of other specie's outliers, just like humans fall short to other species.
No, that's just DNA stuff, nothing else, humans are never portrayed as anything special in term of skill or adaptability, if anything they are portrayed as inept morons and Toriyama said directly that the hybrid thing was because of gene compatibility, nothing else.
Nope, it's directly said that every human has saiyan DNA now, all from Goku and Vegeta and at no point it's implied that it's their human part that make them strong, everything hammer how it's thanks to Goku and Vegeta's saiyan stuff.
And the actual fact is, Humans are a joke in term of technology as said by litteraly every aliens that ever commented on it and a technique that made the God of Martial Art shit his pant is litteraly know by fodder slaves soldiers to the point it's not even worth naming.
More like give them some saiyan stuff from the strongest saiyan that ever lived and they'll get stronger by continuously tapping into that, to the point of wishing for the SSJ form while never using anything specificaly human.
A Namekian ship centuries out of date by an isolationist species who only traveled to avoid extinction.
Nope, we're directly told it's a very high level technique yet fodders aliens know it almost by default.
No, you didn't, you just listed a bunch of stuff by either A : an outlier like Gero and Bulma who were already said to be the only impressive tech on earth or B : that never impressed any aliens.
Nothing ever say that, You have outliers humans in the Z fighters in term of power but they fall short of other specie's outliers, just like humans fall short to other species.
No, that's just DNA stuff, nothing else, humans are never portrayed as anything special in term of skill or adaptability, if anything they are portrayed as inept morons and Toriyama said directly that the hybrid thing was because of gene compatibility, nothing else.
Nope, it's directly said that every human has saiyan DNA now, all from Goku and Vegeta and at no point it's implied that it's their human part that make them strong, everything hammer how it's thanks to Goku and Vegeta's saiyan stuff.
And the actual fact is, Humans are a joke in term of technology as said by litteraly every aliens that ever commented on it and a technique that made the God of Martial Art shit his pant is litteraly know by fodder slaves soldiers to the point it's not even worth naming.
More like give them some saiyan stuff from the strongest saiyan that ever lived and they'll get stronger by continuously tapping into that, to the point of wishing for the SSJ form while never using anything specificaly human.
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These threads are still going? This is going to reach 100 eventually isn't it...
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or until we reach 500 repliesDragomer said:
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or until we reach 500 replies
Nah, we just make a new thread then.
Yes, until 500 replies and then rise and repeat.
Type 4 immortality
Nah, we just make a new thread then.
Yes, until 500 replies and then rise and repeat.
Type 4 immortality
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Jaco is litteraly the best we have and we never see any aliens give a single shit about earth technology,
The only alien to ever see Earth's technology is Jaco and Vegeta. Vegeta wouldn't admire technology (but his addiction to gravity training says enough) and Jaco is overly egotistical to acknowledge Earth. You could note Beerus and Whis, but they also wouldn't care even slightly for technology relative to the rest of space.
Humans don't even have space ships
Briefs literally made a ship from scratch.
and Toriyama said Human had pre-Cold saiyan level tech outside of space ship and combat related tech where they are clearly inferior,
Source.
the same saiyans that are considered backwards barbarian by everyone who ever mentionned them even after Cold.
I only recall Frieza's closest men and his family considering saiyans to be backwards and that's primarily due to them being racist as hell.
A Namekian ship centuries out of date by an isolationist species who only traveled to avoid extinction.
An isolationist species that everyone seems to know? To add further, Bulma and Briefs completely repaired and reprogrammed that ship within weeks (they coded it to register English speech, for example) and Doctor Briefs built a vastly superior ship from scratch with quadruple the speed and a gravity machine that goes up to 100x. To add further, his ship can withstand a force 100x the Earth's gravity, easily.
It doesn't matter if the Namekian Ship was from centuries ago. What matters is that Doctor Briefs vastly improved upon its design and invented completely new technology for the ship, within a month or two of studying an ancient ship.
Claiming humans are 'primitive', 'backwards' or otherwise is about as accurate as claiming any 8 year old would outclass Leonardo Da Vinci in terms of knowledge. It's like, yeah that's obvious. But give Leonardo Da Vinci the same resources and modern devices, and he will curbstomp that 8 year old kid.
Nope, we're directly told it's a very high level technique yet fodders aliens know it almost by default.
'high level' doesn't mean 'complex'. High level techniques can be simply extremely draining to utilise, making them incredibly difficult to learn.
Also, Ki Control is literally one of the rarest techniques in canon, and actually relies on...control rather than capacity or magnitude of Ki. Earthlings have mastered it. The only characters in space that have learned to utilise Ki Control to alter their output of Ki is Frieza, Beerus and Whis. Ginyu learned to do it after a decade and a half on Earth.
No, you didn't, you just listed a bunch of stuff by either A : an outlier like Gero and Bulma who were already said to be the only impressive tech on earth
You didn't mention Gero OR Briefs. There are THREE humans that are capable of more advanced tech than anything seen in space. We have no reason to know of any other geniuses, due to their irrelevance to the Z-Fighters or Earth's history of geniuses. We can claim, however, that a human genius is extraordinary in Dragon Ball due to the existence of three such geniuses in a single century.
or B : that never impressed any aliens.
As already explained, those aliens either never saw Earth's tech or wouldn't allow themselves to be impressed due to their characters.
Nothing ever say that, You have outliers humans in the Z fighters in term of power but they fall short of other specie's outliers, just like humans fall short to other species.
What are you even saying here? Yamcha, Krillin, Tien and Roshi are all capable of stomping space's most elite warriors. Raditz was an elite saiyan, yet every human Z-Fighter surpassed him in a single year. Even the most dangerous prisoners in the history of the universe, struggle severely to take down the human Z-Fighters and have been amped by Moro's magic.
The human outliers are, quite literally, capable of curbstomping the outliers of every race except saiyan. And this is raw power, I am arguing about their technical advantages.
No, that's just DNA stuff, nothing else,
Super Saiyan is literally 'just DNA stuff' and humans with a hint of DNA are capable of becoming time patrollers and fighting Mira. Hell, IIRC, the saiyans in XV and XV2 are actually descendants of saiyans and are hybrids yet are easily some of the most overpowered beings in existence, with the base CaC handling SS2 Vegeta before ever learning to go Super Saiyan.
Fact it, human potential is the source of Goten, Trunks, Gohan and every other hybrid's prodigious capabilities.
if anything they are portrayed as inept morons
Have you taken a single look at the average alien? Every species consists of 'inept morons'.
Nope, it's directly said that every human has saiyan DNA now, all from Goku and Vegeta and at no point it's implied that it's their human part that make them strong, everything hammer how it's thanks to Goku and Vegeta's saiyan stuff.
They only have 200 years to crossbreed with the entire human race. The population size is unknown, but seems to be easily in the millions. Are you arguing that Goten and Trunks did the dirty and impregnated like a million women?
It's literally impossible for every human to be crossbred Saiyan DNA. To add further, that DNA is diluted, not to mention the hybrids all utilise their Saiyan DNA better than any full saiyan in the first place.
And the actual fact is, Humans are a joke in term of technology as said by litteraly every aliens that ever commented on it and a technique that made the God of Martial Art shit his pant is litteraly know by fodder slaves soldiers to the point it's not even worth naming.
Is that why Beerus shit himself over Roshi's martial arts skill? Is that why Zamasu was terrified of an Earthling technique? Is that why most of Goku's techniques and skills stem from his Earthling teachers? Is that why Earthlings consistently display superiority over the outliers of every other species, barring saiyans and Frieza? Is that why there are three human geniuses in the span of a single century capable of reverse-engineering space-age technology within weeks of having said technology? is that why humans are the only species to have gravity increasing technology? Is that why humans were capable of inventing Time Travel from scratch?
Practically all of your arguments dumb down to "Yeah but the humans aren't better!" and, yet, humans are on a backwater frontier world with limited contact with aliens. With the little contact they have with said aliens, they have managed to develop space-age technology and have invented more advanced technology (such as capsules and gravity machines).
If humans were to join the galactic community, how long do you think it would take for them to become dominant technologically? I give Capsule Corporation a year. If this is when the RRA is still active with Doctor Gero, I give them four months.
More like give them some saiyan stuff from the strongest saiyan that ever lived and they'll get stronger by continuously tapping into that, to the point of wishing for the SSJ form while never using anything specificaly human.
Bzzt wrong. Goku had Gohan when his power level was in the 300-400 range, complete fodder compared to Raditz. Gohan is a loving, dedicated, husband so I sincerely doubt he was responsible for the crossbreeding. Pan is female, so I doubt she was capable of having thousands of children in a single lifespan.
In reality, it was either a descendant of Pan or someone in the Goten or Trunks line that did the deed. Goten is the son of Goku, who mastered Super Saiyan, and Trunks was conceived a while before Vegeta learned Super Saiyan. Yamoshi is a Super Saiyan God, and we know there is a Super Saiyan who may or may not be Yamoshi. So only Goten would be the descendant of the 'strongest saiyan that ever lived'.
I suppose it could be Bra's lineage, but that would have to be a child or descendant of hers, which is an absolute unknown unless we see them.
If you argued Goten or Bra, perhaps. But those are both hybrids with Goten having objectively more potential than any full saiyan in the history of the world. Future Trunks, who should have the same potential as present Trunks, was literally capable of surpassing SSGSS-level with just Super Saiyan 2 and a ton of pent up anger and Gohan has reached God-level with his hybrid potential.
Hell, Gohan even 'discards' his Saiyan half against Kefla, and chooses to use his 'human side' (whatever that means) for now on and ties with a fused mutant Super Saiyan who should be stronger than a CSSB. Literally every single hybrid is so vastly superior to even the greatest outliers of the Saiyan race that it isn't even funny.
Tien can stunlock Semi-Perfect Cell. Krillin can force Goku into Super Saiyan. Yamcha would stomp Captain Ginyu. Roshi amazes even the Destroyers and Angels with his skill. Goku achieved Ultra Instinct as a result of his Earthling mentors (in the manga), Bulma invented time travel from scratch, Briefs can reverse-engineer any technology from space and invented capsules and Gero's cybernetics laugh at the pathetic, pale, imitations that space has to offer.
The only alien to ever see Earth's technology is Jaco and Vegeta. Vegeta wouldn't admire technology (but his addiction to gravity training says enough) and Jaco is overly egotistical to acknowledge Earth. You could note Beerus and Whis, but they also wouldn't care even slightly for technology relative to the rest of space.
Humans don't even have space ships
Briefs literally made a ship from scratch.
and Toriyama said Human had pre-Cold saiyan level tech outside of space ship and combat related tech where they are clearly inferior,
Source.
the same saiyans that are considered backwards barbarian by everyone who ever mentionned them even after Cold.
I only recall Frieza's closest men and his family considering saiyans to be backwards and that's primarily due to them being racist as hell.
A Namekian ship centuries out of date by an isolationist species who only traveled to avoid extinction.
An isolationist species that everyone seems to know? To add further, Bulma and Briefs completely repaired and reprogrammed that ship within weeks (they coded it to register English speech, for example) and Doctor Briefs built a vastly superior ship from scratch with quadruple the speed and a gravity machine that goes up to 100x. To add further, his ship can withstand a force 100x the Earth's gravity, easily.
It doesn't matter if the Namekian Ship was from centuries ago. What matters is that Doctor Briefs vastly improved upon its design and invented completely new technology for the ship, within a month or two of studying an ancient ship.
Claiming humans are 'primitive', 'backwards' or otherwise is about as accurate as claiming any 8 year old would outclass Leonardo Da Vinci in terms of knowledge. It's like, yeah that's obvious. But give Leonardo Da Vinci the same resources and modern devices, and he will curbstomp that 8 year old kid.
Nope, we're directly told it's a very high level technique yet fodders aliens know it almost by default.
'high level' doesn't mean 'complex'. High level techniques can be simply extremely draining to utilise, making them incredibly difficult to learn.
Also, Ki Control is literally one of the rarest techniques in canon, and actually relies on...control rather than capacity or magnitude of Ki. Earthlings have mastered it. The only characters in space that have learned to utilise Ki Control to alter their output of Ki is Frieza, Beerus and Whis. Ginyu learned to do it after a decade and a half on Earth.
No, you didn't, you just listed a bunch of stuff by either A : an outlier like Gero and Bulma who were already said to be the only impressive tech on earth
You didn't mention Gero OR Briefs. There are THREE humans that are capable of more advanced tech than anything seen in space. We have no reason to know of any other geniuses, due to their irrelevance to the Z-Fighters or Earth's history of geniuses. We can claim, however, that a human genius is extraordinary in Dragon Ball due to the existence of three such geniuses in a single century.
or B : that never impressed any aliens.
As already explained, those aliens either never saw Earth's tech or wouldn't allow themselves to be impressed due to their characters.
Nothing ever say that, You have outliers humans in the Z fighters in term of power but they fall short of other specie's outliers, just like humans fall short to other species.
What are you even saying here? Yamcha, Krillin, Tien and Roshi are all capable of stomping space's most elite warriors. Raditz was an elite saiyan, yet every human Z-Fighter surpassed him in a single year. Even the most dangerous prisoners in the history of the universe, struggle severely to take down the human Z-Fighters and have been amped by Moro's magic.
The human outliers are, quite literally, capable of curbstomping the outliers of every race except saiyan. And this is raw power, I am arguing about their technical advantages.
No, that's just DNA stuff, nothing else,
Super Saiyan is literally 'just DNA stuff' and humans with a hint of DNA are capable of becoming time patrollers and fighting Mira. Hell, IIRC, the saiyans in XV and XV2 are actually descendants of saiyans and are hybrids yet are easily some of the most overpowered beings in existence, with the base CaC handling SS2 Vegeta before ever learning to go Super Saiyan.
Fact it, human potential is the source of Goten, Trunks, Gohan and every other hybrid's prodigious capabilities.
if anything they are portrayed as inept morons
Have you taken a single look at the average alien? Every species consists of 'inept morons'.
Nope, it's directly said that every human has saiyan DNA now, all from Goku and Vegeta and at no point it's implied that it's their human part that make them strong, everything hammer how it's thanks to Goku and Vegeta's saiyan stuff.
They only have 200 years to crossbreed with the entire human race. The population size is unknown, but seems to be easily in the millions. Are you arguing that Goten and Trunks did the dirty and impregnated like a million women?
It's literally impossible for every human to be crossbred Saiyan DNA. To add further, that DNA is diluted, not to mention the hybrids all utilise their Saiyan DNA better than any full saiyan in the first place.
And the actual fact is, Humans are a joke in term of technology as said by litteraly every aliens that ever commented on it and a technique that made the God of Martial Art shit his pant is litteraly know by fodder slaves soldiers to the point it's not even worth naming.
Is that why Beerus shit himself over Roshi's martial arts skill? Is that why Zamasu was terrified of an Earthling technique? Is that why most of Goku's techniques and skills stem from his Earthling teachers? Is that why Earthlings consistently display superiority over the outliers of every other species, barring saiyans and Frieza? Is that why there are three human geniuses in the span of a single century capable of reverse-engineering space-age technology within weeks of having said technology? is that why humans are the only species to have gravity increasing technology? Is that why humans were capable of inventing Time Travel from scratch?
Practically all of your arguments dumb down to "Yeah but the humans aren't better!" and, yet, humans are on a backwater frontier world with limited contact with aliens. With the little contact they have with said aliens, they have managed to develop space-age technology and have invented more advanced technology (such as capsules and gravity machines).
If humans were to join the galactic community, how long do you think it would take for them to become dominant technologically? I give Capsule Corporation a year. If this is when the RRA is still active with Doctor Gero, I give them four months.
More like give them some saiyan stuff from the strongest saiyan that ever lived and they'll get stronger by continuously tapping into that, to the point of wishing for the SSJ form while never using anything specificaly human.
Bzzt wrong. Goku had Gohan when his power level was in the 300-400 range, complete fodder compared to Raditz. Gohan is a loving, dedicated, husband so I sincerely doubt he was responsible for the crossbreeding. Pan is female, so I doubt she was capable of having thousands of children in a single lifespan.
In reality, it was either a descendant of Pan or someone in the Goten or Trunks line that did the deed. Goten is the son of Goku, who mastered Super Saiyan, and Trunks was conceived a while before Vegeta learned Super Saiyan. Yamoshi is a Super Saiyan God, and we know there is a Super Saiyan who may or may not be Yamoshi. So only Goten would be the descendant of the 'strongest saiyan that ever lived'.
I suppose it could be Bra's lineage, but that would have to be a child or descendant of hers, which is an absolute unknown unless we see them.
If you argued Goten or Bra, perhaps. But those are both hybrids with Goten having objectively more potential than any full saiyan in the history of the world. Future Trunks, who should have the same potential as present Trunks, was literally capable of surpassing SSGSS-level with just Super Saiyan 2 and a ton of pent up anger and Gohan has reached God-level with his hybrid potential.
Hell, Gohan even 'discards' his Saiyan half against Kefla, and chooses to use his 'human side' (whatever that means) for now on and ties with a fused mutant Super Saiyan who should be stronger than a CSSB. Literally every single hybrid is so vastly superior to even the greatest outliers of the Saiyan race that it isn't even funny.
Tien can stunlock Semi-Perfect Cell. Krillin can force Goku into Super Saiyan. Yamcha would stomp Captain Ginyu. Roshi amazes even the Destroyers and Angels with his skill. Goku achieved Ultra Instinct as a result of his Earthling mentors (in the manga), Bulma invented time travel from scratch, Briefs can reverse-engineer any technology from space and invented capsules and Gero's cybernetics laugh at the pathetic, pale, imitations that space has to offer.
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