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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 83
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Again, that's a bad double standard. We might as well start using the dub for scaling for those casuals who only watch Funi's trash dub. We either use the original Japanese as a base, or the English dub, using the English names when the rest of the dub isn't allowed to be used is wrong.
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I just realized something. If Potential Unleashed has the same multiplier of SSB, we could just use the scaling in Z and divide by 50 for backwards scaling. Lmao
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... no.
Just, no. I really wish you could understand how wrong of an idea that is.
Just, no. I really wish you could understand how wrong of an idea that is.
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It's an idea thoLSirLancelotDuLacl said:
but tell me where I'm wrong?
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Gohan got more of a boost than Goku did by SSJ3, but the boost wasn't so massive Kid Buu couldn't make up for it by absorbing Gotenks. Meaning it was nowhere near SSB levels of multiplying power until Gohan just made it better. Even if there was a more defined number we could use, which I do believe we don't have, the form is just more powerful in Super than in Z, and it's boost can't be applied retroactively backwards.
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I can explain why I mentioned this but that's for later.
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SSJ2 Gohan lost more than 50% of his power against Cell and was still able to contest his kamehameha and ultimately overpower it. Cell, who was easily stronger than Grade 4 Goku. So it stands to reason that SSJ2 is more than 2x of Grade 4 alone.Zamasu Chan said:
There is also that moment when only 50% power of Grade 4 Goku made Vegeta go like "Aww man, he surpassed me again dammit". That Vegeta already had Grade 2 and knew about Grade 3 which would make Grade 4 more than 2x stronger than either Grade 2 or 3.
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So I was looking through a video series that goes and points out every error in the european spanish dub of Dragon Ball (not the latinoamerican one, the spain one) and wow it is a sea of **** ups.
But something that stood out for me is that Vegeku (how Vegerot is called in this dub) brags that he is 125 times stronger than Bubu (Buu's name in this dub), this would mean than his base for is 2,5 stronger than Bubu with Gohan absorbed.
And that is oddly one of the most accurate representation of their power levels I ever seen so far.
But something that stood out for me is that Vegeku (how Vegerot is called in this dub) brags that he is 125 times stronger than Bubu (Buu's name in this dub), this would mean than his base for is 2,5 stronger than Bubu with Gohan absorbed.
And that is oddly one of the most accurate representation of their power levels I ever seen so far.
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SSJ2 Gohan lost more than 50% of his power against Cell and was still able to contest his kamehameha and ultimately overpower it. Cell, who was easily stronger than Grade 4 Goku. So it stands to reason that SSJ2 is more than 2x of Grade 4 alone.
There is also that moment when only 50% power of Grade 4 Goku made Vegeta go like "Aww man, he surpassed me again dammit". That Vegeta already had Grade 2 and knew about Grade 3 which would make Grade 4 more than 2x stronger than either Grade 2 or 3.
Gohan got a rage boost as well as ssj2 dude. It was Goku's plan to get Gohan angry, SSJ2 was just a bonus.
As for grade 4, yes but that doesn't make it a different multiplier. Goku said it's SSJ but without instability, making it easier to train. That's why Goku and Gohan were so far above Vegeta.
There is also that moment when only 50% power of Grade 4 Goku made Vegeta go like "Aww man, he surpassed me again dammit". That Vegeta already had Grade 2 and knew about Grade 3 which would make Grade 4 more than 2x stronger than either Grade 2 or 3.
Gohan got a rage boost as well as ssj2 dude. It was Goku's plan to get Gohan angry, SSJ2 was just a bonus.
As for grade 4, yes but that doesn't make it a different multiplier. Goku said it's SSJ but without instability, making it easier to train. That's why Goku and Gohan were so far above Vegeta.
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To be fair, FPSS Gohan was stupidly above FPSS Goku, to the point he believed he was holding back cause he couldn't believe is father was that weak.
And IIRC, Gohan was the one who thought Goku was aiming for a rage boost, Goku just thought Gohan's power as it was would be enough to beat Perfect Cell.
Granted, that's before Cell revealed his full power but hey, hindsight is a bitch.
And IIRC, Gohan was the one who thought Goku was aiming for a rage boost, Goku just thought Gohan's power as it was would be enough to beat Perfect Cell.
Granted, that's before Cell revealed his full power but hey, hindsight is a bitch.
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What, no? Gohan's rage is what turned him into a Super Saiyan 2. Goku saw Gohan's potential in the ROSAT and needed Gohan angry enough to transform. He didn't get a "rage boost", and anyway, those are just temporary increases in strength, look at every rage boost in the series for proof of that. Gohan's transformation was a permanent incerase.Zamasu Chan said:
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What...are you talking about? SSJ2 Gohan at less than his 50% power had enough energy to destroy Cell. He didn't get a rage boost, he was just lacking in confidence and worrying about Earth as stated by Goku.Zamasu Chan said:
That means 100% SSJ2 Gohan > 2x SPC (after zenkai) > SPC (before zenkai) > SSJ Grade 4.
Yeah they trained their SSJ to be stronger and better than the normal SSJ. That's called Grade 4 where they can increase their strength without gaining muscles and losing speed, as stated by Vegeta. That's not the same as Grade 1 which gives a 50x boost.
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Even if he didn't get a rage boost an average Kamekameha is over 2x your regular power and Gohan had Goku's help making the Kamehameha even more powerful.
Also saiyans get stronger as they fight :•)
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That's not a thing. Power levels aren't linear and it depends on how much energy the user is actually using, how much time is put into charging it and if the user is weakened or fatigued. Otherwise a character wouldn't be able to block his own kamehameha.
Goku's help was only mental, not physical.
Goku's help was only mental, not physical.
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DBZ's Spaniard dub is the Titanic of bad dubs. It's so bad it's plain impossible to not laugh at it.UltimateFlare said:
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Nani? The Kamehameha and SSJ multipliers multiply power levels. If Gohan's Kamehameha is just an average Kamehameha then he wouldn't have overpowered Cell.AKM sama said:
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She means their max power obviously.
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@lon I know, I just pointed out one of the rare moment of cleverness it had.
@DBGuy apparently Kaioken x1 never existed on the manga, Goku only announces the multipler from 3 onward.
Also I should add that Vegeku starts out with the double voice in the episode he was formed unlike Gotrunk (Gotenks name in this dub) who has a normal voice, but then loses it and only speaks with Goku's voice from then on.
He's also apparently a superhero, teached Gotrunk the Ghost Kamikaze attack (yeah try to find what's wrong with that one) and also can form cages in his body with his brain.
@DBGuy apparently Kaioken x1 never existed on the manga, Goku only announces the multipler from 3 onward.
Also I should add that Vegeku starts out with the double voice in the episode he was formed unlike Gotrunk (Gotenks name in this dub) who has a normal voice, but then loses it and only speaks with Goku's voice from then on.
He's also apparently a superhero, teached Gotrunk the Ghost Kamikaze attack (yeah try to find what's wrong with that one) and also can form cages in his body with his brain.
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Yes.
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It's not...
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side note
Could Goku qualify for Vibration Manipulation via this:
Goku vibrating his arms creating a soaring fist like shockwave to attack Jire
Vibration Manipulation is the ability to spontaneously create, manipulate, or otherwise utilize vibrations of any intensity in combat. This ability appears most frequently as an offensive attack, unsettling the ground beneath the target or sending destructive shockwaves to pummel foes. Note that this does not apply to characters who can create shockwaves through brute force, but have this ability as a special power or technique
Could Goku qualify for Vibration Manipulation via this:
Goku vibrating his arms creating a soaring fist like shockwave to attack Jire
Vibration Manipulation is the ability to spontaneously create, manipulate, or otherwise utilize vibrations of any intensity in combat. This ability appears most frequently as an offensive attack, unsettling the ground beneath the target or sending destructive shockwaves to pummel foes. Note that this does not apply to characters who can create shockwaves through brute force, but have this ability as a special power or technique
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It would, but that's one of the many names ki has in this dub, there's also been spirit, aura, energy, etc and it's never used one consistently.
Also Vibrations are also what they call the movement vibrations (like the ones Goku used to catch Yakon early in their fight).
So at the end it's just another rename this dub has.
Also Vibrations are also what they call the movement vibrations (like the ones Goku used to catch Yakon early in their fight).
So at the end it's just another rename this dub has.
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