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Seems like it's taboo for every gods of desctruction in general, not just Beerus and Champa. So all are 3-A then. Plus the mouse guy was stated to be Beerus direct rivalRadicalMrR said:Yep all of them are 3-A.
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Goku vs 17. Been a looooooooonnnnnnngggg time coming, grudge match of the century boys XDAceraspire said:Can't wait to watch new episodes of DB!
I don't know, but he might just be making an observation, something like "You can become SSJ and now SSJB too? How quaint..."Huesito88 said:So apparently 17 said you can do that transformation too. When goku went ssjb. So was he talking about the fact he can't sense like either from goku or something else?
You can't powerscale in Super when SSB fluctuates from 3-A to 5-B all the time. Powerscaling is mostly dead unless it's for guys like Hit or JirenGr8Gr3yM said:Just watched latest episode, i don't know about SSB powerscaling, but he beat the living shit out of regular Super Saiyan Goku.
Makes you wonder why 17 was completely missing in battle of gods arc, since he helds back against current SSB Goku. Oh wellRadicalMrR said:Apparently both of them held back.
Good luck with that. Super creators don't care about logic, if they want to make 17 3-A they will. Just like with TrunksLordGriffin1000 said:This is the problem when you try and bring old weak characters back into the series when the current ones gained new found power beyond anything before.
Anyway I think 17 can get 4-B for fighting SSJ Goku but their is no way in hell he gained 3-A power by training, even Goku nor Vegeta could pull that of without a new transformation, Frieza being a OP prodigy with a new transformation and plot, Trunks needed a plot induced rage boots so yeah 4-B 17 I can believe that but 3-A no way
Hold on, Yammer might be forgetful, but he never messed up this much. Also, this seems to be a toei only thing. One more thing- if Toyotaro doesnt make this mess in the manga, it implies the power scale mess up was on toei's behalf, since yama is working closely with toyotaro, and if toyotaro doesnt make the mistake and toei does, then the mistake originated from toei and not yammer.Hit The Badass said:Sooooooo....... Toei is messing up with power levels again? Can't blame all it to them. Toriyama himself is very forgettable sometimes and might have messed up himself.
If onlyVegan Gains said:Toei has the most garbage writing, and their logic is nonexistent, I wih there was a way for Toriyama to switch from Toei to Madhouse, much better animation too.
Yeah, toyotaro's version is almost certainly a true summary of toriyama's vision of the story and the fightsLordAizenSama said:This is the problem with Toeis Super. If this had been some random alien goku went ssb to fight we wouldn't even question the alien being 3-a as PIS. But since it's 17 we get a bit more context.
Unfortunately the writing/powerscaling of fights is so bad it makes it hard to enjoy.
Time to face the truth people. Toei just writes whatever makes the fights look cool and the plot/powerscaling is just collateral damage. We will soon see Goku use SSB to fight bank robbers next.
Doesn't Toriyama supervise each Super chapter himself personally? He doesn't do anything for Super anime except for handing out drafts.The Living Tribunal1 said:Yeah, toyotaro's version is almost certainly a true summary of toriyama's vision of the story and the fights
Hmm, I don't know, maybe their bullshit powerups,plotholes, time paradoxes, and Goku needing SSB for SSJ or below level characters, you could chalk it up to lazy writing as well.AnonymouXOtakuX said:why are people saying that Super's logic is nonexistence, the only thing that is wrong is the excuses they give for such a massive power up, not the fact that the characters are getting stronger all of a sudden. and still Goku is clearly holding back.
Because it is.AnonymouXOtakuX said:why are people saying that Super's logic is nonexistence, .