Mav can catch all this heat tho, drops a vote against DB supporters and literally contributes nothing to support said argument afterwards. Btw, Damage also did this for Tier 5 One Piece. (Mav, if you're seeing this, too bad, do better)
It's good to know that everyone has the same opinion on this subject.
i havent seen too much of Mav so no opinion on that but Damage seems to be the important one here. I dont mind that anyone disagrees not even Damage what I do find a bit frustrating is how often his arguments revolve around what he considers to be the best evidence according to his made up standards as opposed to evaluating whether something meets the Wiki standard (which is seen in the previous uncomposite thread when he was one of the few mods who voted against keeping the cosmology when pretty much everyone else agreed).
I also feel as if many of the DB opponents use the argument of "DB fans can't read" and acting like we don't know this shit as a tool against actual, credible, and quality arguments. They also don't read the arguments DB supporters use and just completely ignore them like they never existed (it happened more times than I can count in that thread).
Today i heard the funniest thing in the world
to me Dragon Ball is a melting pot of everyone and their mother's opinion on how the verse should be like on the wiki (and let me be the first to say not every opinion is worth listening to or replying to which is why I didnt bother responding to Topaz). on one hand you have Saint Seiya that no one could be bothered to give a rat's ass about and changes are impossible to pass. on the other hand you have DB which is so popular that too many large changes happen too quickly and the verse never seems to be able to "rest"
Amen
I think that an "At least Genius, likely Extraodinary Genius" to Goku looks like the bare minimumSafe to say that Extraordinary Genius Goku will be a very difficult challenge. I think for the sake of keeping my sanity intact for my other intelligence CRTs, I'll hand this off to whoever wants to take this on:
Goku (EG Rework Draft)
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And once that's out of the way, here's the next step:
Vegeta (DBS Anime) (Intelligence Rework)
I think that would be right
Prob physical, I can’t recall time being mentioned to be reversed or anything similar
I don´t think he uses Restoration, he pretty much recreates the universes from zero after they being erased
Yeah I think extraordinary works, his skill isn’t at a realistic level
It's just that Ss restores all Universes together and that includes time itself
As another self-proclaimed intelligence section specialist, I concur, although I believe Vegeta is more fitting for "Likely" than Goku is. Goku very solidly stands at EG imo
Agreed
i believe you. That doesnt really change anything. you can love a verse but want it to not be wanked (i'll presume this is how you view DB right now) there are verses Im like that with as well, the opposite is also true in some cases. still from what I've seen you tend to be quite pedantic and seem to demand a standard of evidence that almost always seems to be just out of the reach
I dont know if that's necessarily a good thing. I've been into vs debating for an even longer time and i've evolved my method of argumentation as time has went on Im sure most people have in fact
Isn’t vegeta = to goku?
Yes, but Vegeta's methods prior weren't as efficient as Goku's. He only recently started incorporating Goku's habits in training. And even though he has beaten him in almost every canon fight, he admits inferiority at times.
If this is love i don't even want to imagine what you hate
Your methods are not attractive, which is why there are several people complaining about your attitude in Dragon Ball.
Pretty much that, even though they can keep up with each other in combat, Goku showed better fight-analysis and likely turned a skilled Martial artist (Basically skilled at the same level of his Grandpa) earlier than Vegeta
Mass dowgrade happening and this equals upgrade
If this is love i don't even want to imagine what you hate
I think as a mod there should be a bit of self-evaluation, because as one, you are the face of the wiki, and your word takes precedence over ours. When we can't speak, or can't make as bold of moves, we call to people like you. When we need a voice of reason, mods are typically that reason. And the influence of what one mod says can very easily tip the scales of the ideals of other mods because they take your word above ours mostly.
Eh other than his manner of arguing i feel his attitude is generally fine. have you seen Topaz? she almost seems to have a mental breakdown whenever she doesnt get her way to the point of blatant disrespect towards both members and staff alike
I never said Vegeta was less skilled than Goku, it's just that Goku crossed many skill milestones faster than he did and made better methods to his growth much quicker. While Vegeta sought to reach a higher power through a higher grade of SSJ, Goku mastered the normal grade so he can maintain speed.
Yeah i'll give you that, that downgrade was fair game and something even I pondered for a bit but never bothered bringing it up
Hey, don't mention it, I'm just an infant on this wiki after all, hell, I came here for one CRT and ended up diving a bit deeper than I thought I would.
unironically. that explains the consistency at least.
That´s what happens when you pass too much time on the powerscaling community
Hey I've been vs debating for 12 years
