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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

ReaperAndBlues said:
Btw, could you link the staff thread? I wanna see this shitshow
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There was no team topic, because that day they were defeated

But you can see the show that happened by re-reading the comments
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Uncompositing the Dragon Ball Cosmology

I've been personally conflicted about this topic (Dragon Ball Super and GT sharing the same overarching cosmology/multiverse) for a while and decided to go for a downgrade on premises I think are faulty. I'll address what's in the verse page for my argument. The DBZ Anime is also accepted as...
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LuffyRuffy46307 said:
There was no team topic, because that day they were defeated

But you can see the show that happened by re-reading the comments
vsbattles.com

Uncompositing the Dragon Ball Cosmology

I've been personally conflicted about this topic (Dragon Ball Super and GT sharing the same overarching cosmology/multiverse) for a while and decided to go for a downgrade on premises I think are faulty. I'll address what's in the verse page for my argument. The DBZ Anime is also accepted as...
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Just in time, I just got back to my dorm with food. Now to sit down and read this peak fiction
 
I completely understand the fact that there are mods and that they have their own opinion but it is strange that no one says anything when their opinion is clearly biased with a specific verse... "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
 
Cass5373 said:
I completely understand the fact that there are mods and that they have their own opinion but it is strange that no one says anything when their opinion is clearly biased with a specific verse... "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
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I hope that someday this changes, the way it is and the way we are treated here as random people commenting will not work.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Well... That was an interesting thread. The disagreeing mods legit tried to bitch out of a proper ending to a thread outside of their favor and start a new one.
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while I wouldnt call it "bitching out" its clear that THEY were the ones motivated and organized to oppose a conclusion most users and mods alike agreed to, ever since I read that thread the intentions and strategies of people like Damage have become clear to me

forgive me if you're reading this Damage i have nothing against you personally but I can no longer see any good faith in anything you argue at this point with regards to dragon ball at least (and to an extent even Naruto). while I disagree with Topaz on a number of things one thing she brilliantly displayed in her 5-C thread is how a majority of your arguments are full of either disingenuous strawmen to incredulous thinking because something doesnt meet the "standards" of your liking that you conjured up on the spot conveniently

I hope this doesnt sound too crude, as i said i dont have anything against you personally I just dislike your manner of argumentation
 
Ryzen7900X said:
while I wouldnt call it "bitching out" its clear that THEY were the ones motivated and organized to oppose a conclusion most users and mods alike agreed to, ever since I read that thread the intentions and strategies of people like Damage have become clear to me

forgive me if you're reading this Damage i have nothing against you personally but I can no longer see any good faith in anything you argue at this point with regards to dragon ball at least (and to an extent even Naruto). while I disagree with Topaz on a number of things one thing she brilliantly displayed in her 5-C thread is how a majority of your arguments are full of either disingenuous strawmen to incredulous thinking because something doesnt meet the "standards" of your liking that you conjured up on the spot conveniently
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Mav can catch all this heat tho, drops a vote against DB supporters and literally contributes nothing to support said argument afterwards. Btw, Damage also did this for Tier 5 One Piece. (Mav, if you're seeing this, too bad, do better)
 
Anyways, I'm leaving my very limited work to you. I will be there in spirit, but my brain just can't handle the shitstorm of double standards that CRT's gonna brew up. After the anime revisions get (possibly) accepted, I can start working on the manga ones since they are pretty much the same, just with a few key differences and a LOT more feats.
 
Ryzen7900X said:
while I wouldnt call it "bitching out" its clear that THEY were the ones motivated and organized to oppose a conclusion most users and mods alike agreed to, ever since I read that thread the intentions and strategies of people like Damage have become clear to me

forgive me if you're reading this Damage i have nothing against you personally but I can no longer see any good faith in anything you argue at this point with regards to dragon ball at least (and to an extent even Naruto). while I disagree with Topaz on a number of things one thing she brilliantly displayed in her 5-C thread is how a majority of your arguments are full of either disingenuous strawmen to incredulous thinking because something doesnt meet the "standards" of your liking that you conjured up on the spot conveniently

I hope this doesnt sound too crude, as i said i dont have anything against you personally I just dislike your manner of argumentation
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It's good to know that everyone has the same opinion on this subject.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Mav can catch all this heat tho, drops a vote against DB supporters and literally contributes nothing to support said argument afterwards. Btw, Damage also did this for Tier 5 One Piece. (Mav, if you're seeing this, too bad, do better)
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i havent seen too much of Mav so no opinion on that but Damage seems to be the important one here. I dont mind that anyone disagrees not even Damage what I do find a bit frustrating is how often his arguments revolve around what he considers to be the best evidence according to his made up standards as opposed to evaluating whether something meets the Wiki standard (which is seen in the previous uncomposite thread when he was one of the few mods who voted against keeping the cosmology when pretty much everyone else agreed).

while I understand this is hard to do for something as ambiguous as deciding on canonicity of a cosmology since there's no strict wiki guidelines for it I still cant help but feel that he is using this vagueness to his advantage in imposing his standards
 
Ryzen7900X said:
i havent seen too much of Mav so no opinion on that but Damage seems to be the important one here. I dont mind that anyone disagrees not even Damage what I do find a bit frustrating is how often his arguments revolve around what he considers to be the best evidence according to his made up standards as opposed to evaluating whether something meets the Wiki standard (which is seen in the previous uncomposite thread when he was one of the few mods who voted against keeping the cosmology when pretty much everyone else agreed).

while I understand this is hard to do for something as ambiguous as deciding on canonicity of a cosmology since there's no strict wiki guidelines for it I still cant help but feel that he is using this vagueness to his advantage in imposing his standards
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I also feel as if many of the DB opponents use the argument of "DB fans can't read" and acting like we don't know this shit as a tool against actual, credible, and quality arguments. They also don't read the arguments DB supporters use and just completely ignore them like they never existed (it happened more times than I can count in that thread).

Not to mention Fujiwara coming in just to make things worse by instigating and having a mod literally encourage it.

Dragon Ball as a verse on this site is just a punching bag.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
I also feel as if many of the DB opponents use the argument of "DB fans can't read" and acting like we don't know this shit as a tool against actual, credible, and quality arguments. They also don't read the arguments DB supporters use and just completely ignore them like they never existed (it happened more times than I can count in that thread).

Not to mention Fujiwara coming in just to make things worse by instigating and having a mod literally encourage it.

Dragon Ball as a verse on this site is just a punching bag.
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Today i heard the funniest thing in the world

"This argument was refuted in 2018"

"Planet Vegeta was destroyed by the core"

It used to be about the 4 galaxies, which was in fact sectors, but they swore that DB only had 4 galaxies 🤣
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
I also feel as if many of the DB opponents use the argument of "DB fans can't read" and acting like we don't know this shit as a tool against actual, credible, and quality arguments. They also don't read the arguments DB supporters use and just completely ignore them like they never existed (it happened more times than I can count in that thread).

Not to mention Fujiwara coming in just to make things worse by instigating and having a mod literally encourage it.

Dragon Ball as a verse on this site is just a punching bag.
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to me Dragon Ball is a melting pot of everyone and their mother's opinion on how the verse should be like on the wiki (and let me be the first to say not every opinion is worth listening to or replying to which is why I didnt bother responding to Topaz). on one hand you have Saint Seiya that no one could be bothered to give a rat's ass about and changes are impossible to pass. on the other hand you have DB which is so popular that too many large changes happen too quickly and the verse never seems to be able to "rest"
 
Ryzen7900X said:
while I wouldnt call it "bitching out" its clear that THEY were the ones motivated and organized to oppose a conclusion most users and mods alike agreed to, ever since I read that thread the intentions and strategies of people like Damage have become clear to me

forgive me if you're reading this Damage i have nothing against you personally but I can no longer see any good faith in anything you argue at this point with regards to dragon ball at least (and to an extent even Naruto). while I disagree with Topaz on a number of things one thing she brilliantly displayed in her 5-C thread is how a majority of your arguments are full of either disingenuous strawmen to incredulous thinking because something doesnt meet the "standards" of your liking that you conjured up on the spot conveniently

I hope this doesnt sound too crude, as i said i dont have anything against you personally I just dislike your manner of argumentation
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Meh, if it helps at all, Dragon Ball and Naruto are among my favorite series. I don't treat them any more harshly or with more scrutiny than I would treat literally any other verse on the wiki.

My "method of argumentation" has been relatively consistent for the last eight years and will likely continue as such for the next eight too. I don't expect everyone to see things the same way as I do.
 
Ryzen7900X said:
to me Dragon Ball is a melting pot of everyone and their mother's opinion on how the verse should be like on the wiki (and let me be the first to say not every opinion is worth listening to or replying to which is why I didnt bother responding to Topaz). on one hand you have Saint Seiya that no one could be bothered to give a rat's ass about and changes are impossible to pass. on the other hand you have DB which is so popular that too many large changes happen too quickly and the verse never seems to be able to "rest"
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Amen
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Safe to say that Extraordinary Genius Goku will be a very difficult challenge. I think for the sake of keeping my sanity intact for my other intelligence CRTs, I'll hand this off to whoever wants to take this on:

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Goku (EG Rework Draft)

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And once that's out of the way, here's the next step:

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Vegeta (DBS Anime) (Intelligence Rework)

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I think that an "At least Genius, likely Extraodinary Genius" to Goku looks like the bare minimum
 
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