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damn, been a while since I watched DB so i had no idea it was this fast. I have a question tho why is ginyu fight goku only FTL+ when the capsule corp spaceship calc puts him at 150 million times FTL?
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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The_Yellow_Topaz
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Post-Zenkai Goku scales to the ship's speed. The reason why Pre-Zenkai Goku doesn't is because the dodging feat itself wasn't approved, but the speed of the ship was accepted.
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if the dodging feat isnt accepted how does post-zenkai goku scale then? is it because of the statement king kai makes about being faster than the ship? that feels like a harder sell then just scaling goku to it directly
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King Kai can perceive things at x speed
Goku can perception blitz him
So Goku would have to be moving at a speed greater than x
That seems really straight forward
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I understand the logic but i think direct dodging feats are much more solid than perception blitzing scaling. at the very least pre-zenkai goku should scale to it in combat speed and later on can scale to it in travel speed as well with the perception blitzing logic
The_Yellow_Topaz
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Assuming asteroids are moving at X speeds or that Goku would have to react to X speeds to dodge them is a much bigger assumption.
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i don't think so cuz even if asteroids were moving in the opposite direction at light speed (which makes no sense) it would negligible compared the speed of the ship considering how velocity works as a vector. goku's also able to redirect the ship away from a star with a kamehameha at some angle which would put the speed of the kamehameha in a similar range of speed too so it seems consistent IMO
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Is there a reason why we don't scale the characters on Perfect Cell level and above to his casual Class G TK feat? TK and stats have been shown to be linked to normal PLs right?
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TK feats don't link to physicals iicr, say what you want about that tho
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Iirc, LS is what is used to counter TK if the user can fly in this site, unless a case by case basis gives them outright TK resistance instead
But I may be wrong
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why not?? doesn't piccolo's pyramid lifting feat scale to others??
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ngl that's kinda ass considering it is just a property of how strong someone's ki is
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Make a crt on it then, it should be easy to do
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Say that the asteroids are moving at 1c ( unreasonably fast) in space in the same direction as the ship but the ship is approaching them at 100c, from Gokus perspective, he reacted to something moving at 99c.
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exactly lol. idk why everyone's acting like the feat is suddenly invalidated just because the asteroids might be moving too. the difference it makes is negligible and pre-zenkai goku has a far more solid reason to scale to it
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Flight speed I presume?This seems worth calcing
Best to use the time frame in the anime ofc
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Do you guys think that Goku has enough for an extraordinary genius in combat rating?
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No Goku dodging it
Fezzih_007
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No really, he don't have enough feats to back up.
Why would he?
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Fezzih_007
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Not a definitive rating, but maybe a likely or possibly rating yes
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If it hasn’t been done already I might create a blog for all the notable skill feats then but that might take a while.
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Goku didn't dodge it. He teleported.
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Oh damn, also why is it so long damn
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It hasn´t
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Still a reaction feat, it surely won't reach the >1048c he has at that time nonetheless
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I been thinking about it but why dont Kami and elder Guru scale to the speed of the dragon balls they created? Like anything the dragon balls do including how fast they can fly is limited to the power of its creator so why wouldnt Guru and everyone stronger than him scale to it?
Fezzih_007
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Well, half of the thing he have is he upscaling for other characters, which said characters have a lot of skill feats so lol;Oh damn, also why is it so long damn
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I don't see why that would be the case. The Dragon Balls can also do things that the creators cannot do actually do themselves like make planets out of nothing and bring people back to life. The Dragon Ball's speed doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the creator's speed. And... have you seen Guru? No offense to the big guy but there is nothing that suggests he is fast.
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Ain't he already MFTL?
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which both kami and guru scale to for the same reason
that's an ability which cant scale to any stat so idk if that's a good comparison. speed and strength are different to hax abilities
why not? how come are the dragon balls traveling so fast when their creator supposedly lacks the ki to do the same according to you?
you sure? the speed of the dragon balls seems to suggest to me that he could be pretty fast himself at least in his prime days
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Guru is far weaker than Frieza, yet the Dragon Balls can fly far faster than Frieza can.
So that's one reason to think there is no connection between the Dragon Ball's and their creator's speed.
Guacamolefletcher
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Anyone know if there's an OG DB discussion thread? I'm currently rereading OG DB, but it's practically a read through since the last time I did so was a loooooong long time ago, so I don't remember much.
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Hehehe, it's good to see new people appearing.
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can they? how would you prove that?
seems to be entirely connected to me going by lore and going by how the maximum potency for each dragon ball set is tied to its creator's Ki
Guacamolefletcher
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I'm not new to DB VSBW. Ya'll are forgetting what I did on the last big 2-C downgrade thread
I got a real debate for ya'll:
Goku post 21st Tenkaichi Budokai, healed up, Senzu, vs Jackie Chun with no prior knowledge. Does this give Goku enough of an advantage?
