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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

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that was very immature of shapiro
Did you miss the part where she was in here a few pages early taunting after the glassman downgrade CRT came out? Did you see how she wordless her own downgrade CRT?

I am usually the one telling people to behave, but after that type of behavior I'm not particularly inclined to try and be the usual peace keeper.
 
Did you miss the part where she was in here a few pages early taunting after the glassman downgrade CRT came out? Did you see how she wordless her own downgrade CRT?
yes
both of you are acting very immaturely
I am usually the one telling people to behave, but after that type of behavior I'm not particularly inclined to try and be the usual peace keeper.
just because fuji is behaving poorly doesn't mean you should too

wtf man...
 
Yeah, we're kinda forgettin that Master Shen is still 8-B instead of 5-C
I don't think he should be 5-C.

Roshi's moon feat is done with his MAX Power form and his strongest Kamehameha in that form. People often scale Goku to the moon feat by the 21st Budokai because he was giving Roshi a genuine challenge. But they forget that the Kamehameha would have outright one-shotted Great Ape Goku based on statements and obvious implications.

We can say that Shen is on par with base Roshi, but comparing him to MAX Power Roshi is a little unfounded. Of course, it's kinda silly to say that Roshi gets like, octillions of times stronger by going MAX Power. Realistically I think Toriyama just didn't care and made a bit of a mess. I mean we go from Master Roshi destroying mountains and moons to an army using guns and missiles the arc after. Not calling it an outlier, just that Toriyama was really lazy about powerscaling his characters back then. In DBZ things became way more consistent.

(To be clear I do view the moon feat as an outlier or PiS in a personal sense. It narratively makes no sense and I think the characters only reach that level by the end of DB with Goku being stated as moon-shattering with his Super Kamehameha, adding consistency to it by Piccolo 5 years later absolutely obliterating it with a regular Ki blast. Meanwhile Roshi's Mount Fry Pan feat using a MAX Power Kamehameha that left even him winded is more consistent with King Piccolo destroying easily cities and whatnot, the moon feat doesn't fit in and it's kinda silly, but there's not enough evidence to actually debunk it)
 
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I don't think he should be 5-C.

Roshi's moon feat is done with his MAX Power form and his strongest Kamehameha in that form. People often scale Goku to the moon feat by the 21st Budokai because he was giving Roshi a genuine challenge. But they forget that the Kamehameha would have outright one-shotted Great Ape Goku based on statements and obvious implications.

We can say that Shen is on par with base Roshi, but comparing him to MAX Power Roshi is a little unfounded. Of course, it's kinda silly to say that Roshi gets like, octillions of times stronger by going MAX Power. Realistically I think Toriyama just didn't care and made a bit of a mess. I mean we go from Master Roshi destroying mountains and moons to an army using guns and missiles the arc after. Not calling it an outlier, just that Toriyama was really lazy about powerscaling his characters back then. In DBZ things became way more consistent.
The Chiaotzu he was seconds away from killing is 5-C, pretty much every single 22nd Budokai character are put at 5-C as of now
(Also don't know about MAX Roshi being able to kill Great Ape Goku, Yamcha said it but don't think he can sense ki at this point)
 
The Chiaotzu he was seconds away from killing is 5-C, pretty much every single 22nd Budokai character are put at 5-C as of now
(Also don't know about MAX Roshi being able to kill Great Ape Goku, Yamcha said it but don't think he can sense ki at this point)
Based on Roshi saying Tien can beat him or something? We don't know if Roshi was including his MAX Power form. He seems to prefer only using his base form in tournaments, besides situations that require his full power. I think we only know that other characters definitively surpass him by the King Piccolo Saga. But if that's how the pages are then yes Shen outta be upgraded, though I don't think for the reason that he beat Chiaotzu. We definitely can't say Chiaotzu scales to Roshi, that's a major stretch.

Well Yamcha said it but Roshi also didn't dispute it, he just corrected Yamcha on the target of his blast. Furthermore the scene itself was built to create tension by making it seem like Roshi completely obliterated Great Ape Goku when in reality he had destroyed the moon to deactivate the transformation as a bit of a twist.
 
Realistically I think that Gohan will win but Goku will teach him something (yatta yatta control or whatever) in the process. Like Gohan Vs. Piccolo, with Gohan being stronger and faster but Piccolo being better at fighting.
I think Gohan is Blue level, but if Goku activates the superior instinct it's over for Gohan.
 
My headcanon tells me that goku would win not because of power but because of experience I could be wrong though and goku would train gohan to beat black frieza after seeing his power
 
Shouldn't Zamasu return to have Mid-Godly Regeneration? Because technically, the soul and mind are together with the Dragon Ball characters, as in the case of the Freeza saga where Captain Ginyu switches bodies with Goku, his soul and mind goes into Goku's body and the same happens with Ginyu

Just as the soul and mind of dead people continues even after dying in the afterlife, Ema just erases their memories and makes them reborn
 
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Shouldn't Zamasu return to have High Godly Regeneration? Because technically, the soul and mind are together with the Dragon Ball characters, as in the case of the Freeza saga where Captain Ginyu switches bodies with Goku, his soul and mind goes into Goku's body and the same happens with Ginyu
Returning from soul getting erased is just mid godly for high godly you need to return form one fundamental aspect like history getting erased for high godly if we can prove hakai is history erasure we can give zamasu high godly
 
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