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Exactly, it was supposed to be in Zen'ō's profile, and Daishinkan put space-time in the void.
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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the argument would put the dragon as above Zeno tho
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both of those "can do anything" would include wishes such as "defeat Zeno in a fair fight" so if you take that literally, then you would be saying that he is above Zeno
if he can do "anything" then a simple infinite gap would emcompass the "anything" he can do, soooo
when was this stated?
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no, the character should have time manipulation
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why conceptual? also, do we know if the world of Void is part of the timeline?
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In DBX, you can visit the tournament of power in different timelines on the parallel quests.
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As far as I know null realm was spoken of as outside the multiverse and not the timeline.
In addition to what the one above said.
Conceptual is more difficult, but it can be argued that Zeno erased the concepts of space-time because of the coloring of the scene. Even the null realm without time or space is still "dark" while what zeno erases has that strange color.
Yes, kind of stupid thing, but anything stupid can be cooked.
Killerdrone123
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Actually I second this
Serlock_Holmes
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Nah I don't see cm off of that. Let's not make bullshit crt's and get people angry.
Killerdrone123
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Ok one thing i can say might give us cm is ki
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DBH was often made multiple crt, many people were sick of the same arguments, That's why nothing ever happened.
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I think that's fine
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we are talking about main canon, gameverse is not canon to it
but was it ever said to be part of the timeline?
non canon information
.....excuse me? the null realm's color? what logic is this?
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If it's stated Zeno is above all beings and then stated Super Shenron can do anything then the simple conclusion is that Super Shenron can do anything but defeat Zeno.
No. It wouldn't. It would just mean he can do anything but defeat Zeno.
Episode 131:
"Ask for anything."
"It can do anything."
"Grant anything.
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I feel like I’m the only one not on board with this “let’s stretch the new upgrades as far as possible” hype, lmao.
Fezzih_007
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Wow, imagine getting angry because of a DB CRT
I honestly think no one cares about stupid CRTs, as long there's not many of them.
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One more hour
Killerdrone123
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Bruh you are saying wov is outside timeline it was never said to be outside of the timeline you have to prove that
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At the same time, it was never proven to be within the timeline canonically.
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Honestly, some people are very angry about this,you can see how the guy is in the crtWow, imagine getting angry because of a DB CRT
I honestly think no one cares about stupid CRTs, as long there's not many of them.
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no, because if Zeno and Daishinkan said that "there is nothing Super Shenron can't do" then that would include defeating them both, if you want to use the "he can do anything statement" as evidence, then you will need to put him above Zeno, since no matter how strong he is, he is include in the "anything"
such limits are never said
i once again ask, when was it stated that he could destroy the timeline? using this as "he can anything" has problems as i have pointed
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to be fair it is better to assume it is inside timeline then to be outside
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the positive claim "it is part of the timeline" is what needs to be proven, no one needs to prove a negative
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why exactly?
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Laughing a lot about this
Fezzih_007
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Even AKM agreed that GP made those concepts. The gravity thing as well,
Can you have gravity without space time? He had to have made it himself
Imho, If he can control a dimension without time or space and create time or space there, it's still a concept he's creating
If it's beyond the timeline, you do realize that would be a huge upgrade to people like toppo and co who could shake and warp it as side effects?. Plus nothing says they left the entire timeline,
Fezzih_007
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Also, can you stop multiposting? Like, i get out of this thread, and a notification pops up immediality.
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I think we should create a crt later to try to update the GP
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cool
This would give Low 1-C range to some characters with teleportation or dimensional travel.
For being able to leave their timelines.
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Killerdrone123
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Then you have to make many assumptions on where it could be if it outside of timeline so it is better to take the simple route then to make it more complicated if it is was never said to be outside of the timeline
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You mean you prefer a conservative approach?
Yeah the logical claim, since every other location is and it can't be unique would be that it's included. Staff like the swirling lights is kind of weird but WoV should be 100% in no need to be stated.
I mean why would it be specific to the original timeline? What we call original timeline isn't even the first. So it wouldn't make sense for it to be singular, but only the GP in the normal setting would use it, while even the Zeno's get copied paste. As I said the only thing potentially not included would be the swirlings lights dimension.
Occam's Razor would mean that since the WoV was never referenced as something all that special and everyone was pretty casual about it that it is not that special of a place and should be copy pasted like everything else. Also the fact noone has used it before ToP points to it being exclusive to the timeline.
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As for Zen'ō's palace, I know that it is literally outside the 12 Universes
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It would be strange to lose to Super Shenling to restore the universes, if the null void is outside the timelines. The guy would have to guess which erased universes the guys are talking about.
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You know what, let's say it's outside the timeline.
This way we can give Low 1-C range (dimensional travel tp) to 2-C characters.
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You know what, let's say it's outside the timeline.
This way we can give Low 1-C range (dimensional travel tp) to 2-C characters.
Serlock_Holmes
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Why would they have Low 1-C? Who moved to and fro ToP? Didn't GP move them?
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Okay...so Zeno and the Grand Priest both state Super Shenron can do anything. And your take is that includes defeating them when Zeno is stated to be unbeatable.
Sure. Super Shenron > Zeno.
You tried to argue against Low 1-C Super Shenron by bringing up Whis stating no one can defeat Zeno. Meaning you are trying to limit Super Shenron's abilities via the same statement. You are effectively arguing against yourself.
The part where Zeno, a timeline buster, states Super Shenron can grant anything?
It doesn't have any problems. Either Super Shenron has a limit (Zeno) as you yourself argued (and I argued) or he doesn't have a limit (as you also argued) and that makes him Low 1-C. Either way Super Shenron can do anything according to Zeno (a timeline buster) and 5D is an infinite tier of power, meaning Zeno can just be infinitely above Super Shenron while Super Shenron still being capable of timeline busting.
The only limit we know of is "Zeno is unbeatable." which doesn't debunk the idea that Super Shenron can timeline bust (As the timeline buster states Shenron can do anything) and you tried arguing that limit shouldn't exist which would make it Low 1-C.
Zeno > (Can't defeat Zeno) Super Shenron > Baseline Low 1-C
(No limits) Super Shenron > Zeno > Baseline Low 1-C
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When all this cools down sure
I mean if he argued that it's outside, everyone scaling to the Jiren that Shook it or the toppo that warped it will get low 1c scaling basically, besides it's much more likely that's it's inside their timeline than beyond it
Occam razor basically
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