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Wait until the reign of fear ends.but whats the point of 5D dragon ball if we cant use it
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Guys, can we do something about Ki like transforming it into a concept or something?
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To clarify, according to the manga the four greatest beings in existence are:
- Zeno (greatest being in existence according to Whis)
- The Grand Priest ('the mightiest of all beings' according to Whis)
- Super Shenron (can grant any wish according to The Grand Priest)
- Zuno (Not in power but in the fact that he knows everything in the multiverse and the Granolah Saga hammered in that information is equal to power.)
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meh someone is gonna do it before it even finishes anyay
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I just wanted to let you all know, you couldn't have done it all without me. Your welcome everyone, no need to thank me
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There's a new tier 1 thread?
Killerdrone123
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Ok regarding grace I am keeping track of it it would end two hours later
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All right, so that’s 10:34 A.M. where I live.
Skarfz
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All hail ben for his top tier arguments
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It's almost 12:00 here
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It makes sense
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In fact, I think it's easier.
Like, several verses are getting not only type 1 concept but also type 2 information.
The most recent ones I can think of is DBH, Sonic and Gow getting type 1 concept.
Of course, different verses, different mechanics.
But lately there are several verse topics for concept type 1.
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Why would Super Shenron scale?
Killerdrone123
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After a month or waiting for things to cool down we should definitely push for cm for canon db
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Lol there's omega
Serlock_Holmes
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Based on what?
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A reminder that you nearly quit on us a few months back lol
Killerdrone123
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Ki wasn't there a guy who was proposing db souls to be cm type 3
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UES, if a hax is 5D, then all other stats would also be
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Grand Priest states 'no wish is beyond Super Shenron's power' in the manga and in the anime Zeno states 'Super Shenron can do anything'. Grand Priest directly serves Zeno and Zeno is the timeline buster.
So Super Shenron should be capable of busting timelines, making him Low 1-C via wishes.
Nullflowerblush
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He deadass just has Existence Erasure.
Serlock_Holmes
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I think maybe a possibly.
Serlock_Holmes
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Sure. Low 1-C dura though. Actually seeing it again it's stated noone can kill him. So it's either possibly Low 1-C or At least 2-C.
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Don't worry we won't.
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ALERT ALERT ALERT
Omegabronic has entered the chat.
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but isn't Zeno also said as being "the strongest" and that "no one can beat him"?
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Serlock_Holmes
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Yeah, maybe Super Shenron is tied with him. GP is way below him though.
Serlock_Holmes
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Just saw he just upscales from everyone else so he might still not scale.
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if he is tied with him, then Zeno wouldn't be "the strongest" as someone would match him, and "no one can beat him" would also not be true since someone equal to you can beat you
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so he would still be 2-C in durability?
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DB uses UES tho, unless there's proof his attacks scale above his stats? Isn't that the issue with moving hit to 5d time hax as well?
Well tbh, you can be on the same tier as someone and still get folded, a timeline buster giving him that much prop is weird to ignore especially since we know it can bring back things erased by Zeno, not it's basically just an argument either way.
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Nothing states Zeno's power peaks at timeline busting. That's just the most we've seen from him so far. Super Shenron can be capable of timeline busting (As Zeno states he can do anything and the Grand Priest states there is no wish beyond his power) while still not being on Zeno's level.
And I can already tell you're going to think something like "Well doesn't that mean Super Shenron can erase Zeno?" and the simple answer is that 5D beings can have infinite power gaps from one another. Zeno can believe Super Shenron can wipe out the world (timeline) while also being above him.
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Just one question, what happens if a place doesn't have the concept of space-time and the character goes there and sets time?
Shouldn't this character receive conceptual manipulation?
Shouldn't this character receive conceptual manipulation?
Serlock_Holmes
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We don't know how GP did it. Maybe he can control the dimension?
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I don't know, but I don't know why Zeno doesn't have non-existent, or even conceptual, erasure.
Since he erased the timeline, therefore space-time + null realm which does not have the concepts of space and time.
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