Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[SYPHe5D]

I really don’t know why even bother making that tier if everyone is gonna be on each other’s throats out of bias against a certain verse qualifying.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Also, sorry if I sound like a downer with my comments but this shit is annoying. I've been spending past time trying to gain an understanding of at least the methods of achieving Tier 1 (Specifically Low 1-C) to help out with evaluation for any verse that attempts to achieve it but I don't see that happening if the standards shift all the time. I'm just going to focus my efforts elsewhere.

Man seeing Goku with his Z look and smile makes me happy.

Same.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I really don’t know why even bother making that tier of everyone is gonna on each others throats out of bias against a certain verse qualifying.

This really is something upset, I really liked Reiner's changes, but they're trying to change again

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Also, sorry if I sound like a downer with my comments but this shit is annoying. I've been spending past time trying to gain an understanding of at least the methods of achieving Tier 1 (Specifically Low 1-C) to help out with evaluation for any verse that attempts to achieve it but I don't see that happening if the standards shift all the time. I'm just going to focus my efforts elsewhere.

I think you could create some kind of rules so as not to change the tier 1 standard before the change has been completed for 1 year

 

[SYPHe5D]

Also, sorry if I sound like a downer with my comments but this shit is annoying. I've been spending past time trying to gain an understanding of at least the methods of achieving Tier 1 (Specifically Low 1-C) to help out with evaluation for any verse that attempts to achieve it but I don't see that happening if the standards shift all the time. I'm just going to focus my efforts elsewhere.


Same.

No like even if a verse qualifies, someone will just make a downgrade thread and attempt to change the standards again,it is just pointless at this point, if you don’t have actual concrete standards.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Also, sorry if I sound like a downer with my comments but this shit is annoying. I've been spending past time trying to gain an understanding of at least the methods of achieving Tier 1 (Specifically Low 1-C) to help out with evaluation for any verse that attempts to achieve it but I don't see that happening if the standards shift all the time. I'm just going to focus my efforts elsewhere.

Have you ever thought about Danny Phantom pumped up with tier 1?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I think you could create some kind of rules so as not to change the tier 1 standard before the change has been completed for 1 year

I an't got that kind of authority, especially on a topic I have little to no knowledge on. Best to just wait and see what happens.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I an't got that kind of authority, especially on a topic I have little to no knowledge on. Best to just wait and see what happens.

Really, you are one of the only admirers who are actually nice, I am completely sure that one day you will make a tremendous difference in this matter.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Imma call BS when I see it, I literally said several pages ago wiki standards were changed (or at the very least changes were proposed in a staff only thread) multiple times in the past when DB met those said standards and what happens when canon DB finally meets the standards for tier 1? Lo and behold!

Also the fact most mods/staff don't even want to think about tier 1 and the crux of several verses reaching tier 1 is via the words of two or three specific high level staff members (essentially appeal to authority) who have different interpretations of tier 1 is wild to me, but that's a discussion for another time.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

No like even if a verse qualifies, someone will just make a downgrade thread and attempt to change the standards again,it is just pointless at this point, if you don’t have actual concrete standards.

That's how it seems.

Have you ever thought about Danny Phantom pumped up with tier 1?

It has been brought to my attention but I haven't tried really. Danny Phantom follows this logic... There exist infinite realms/timestreams (timelines) within the Ghost Zone and are all separated from each other by it's space. The Ghost Zone itself is an infinite realm that has a time direction that flows both forwards and backwards at the same time. This is not enough for tier 1 since apparently time needs to flow in a different direction (aka up and down) compared to the standard left to right axis (past to future), future to past doesn't count.

This is a Dragon Ball thread so I'd rather just talk about ye old Dragon Ball.

 

[SYPHe5D]

There should be a rule against trying to change a standard that had been changed recently tbh.

 

[ZetaMarishi]

Imma call BS when I see it, I literally said several pages ago wiki standards were changed (or at the very least changes were proposed in a staff only thread) multiple times in the past when DB met those said standards and what happens when canon DB finally meets the standards for tier 1? Lo and behold!

Also the fact most mods/staff don't even want to think about tier 1 and the crux of several verses reaching tier 1 is via the words of two or three specific high level staff members (essentially appeal to authority) who have different interpretations of tier 1 is wild to me, but that's a discussion for another time.

I'll be honest, the more this goes on, the more I think that time shouldn't even be a factor for AP since no one seems to know what it should really be.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That's how it seems.


It has been brought to my attention but I haven't tried really. Danny Phantom follows this logic... There exist infinite realms/timestreams (timelines) within the Ghost Zone and are all separated from each other by it's space. The Ghost Zone itself is an infinite realm that has a time direction that flows both forwards and backwards at the same time. This is not enough for tier 1 since apparently time needs to flow in a different direction (aka up and down) compared to the standard left to right axis (past to future), future to past doesn't count.

This is a Dragon Ball thread so I'd rather just talk about ye old Dragon Ball.

Thank you very much for your answer, bro

 

[Padaruyos]

Like half the staff here doesn't even know what gets you or doesn't get you Low 1-C so why the hell do we even have it here?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Cap the tiering system at High3A.

Solve all problems.

 

[SYPHe5D]

Cap it at 2 A, then everyone can leave peacefully afterwards.

 

[Reiner04]

high level staff members (essentially appeal to authority) who have different interpretations of tier 1

Ultima: bigger than 2-A qualifies.

DT: nuh-uh

Yeah, everyone has their own interpretation.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Tier 2 is more cringe

 

[SYPHe5D]

Tier 2 is more cringe

Well if you are a certain individual then yeah.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I'm surprised that thread is still open. OP got burned into a crisp.

 

[Padaruyos]

One universe difference in Tier 2 being an infinite gap is a meme on itself.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Tier 2 is more cringe

I was actually able to gain a decent understanding of Tier 2, barring any radical changes.

 

[SYPHe5D]

There should be a rule against trying to change a standard that had been changed recently tbh.

We should consider doing this^ at some point.

 

[Padaruyos]

I was actually able to gain a decent understanding of Tier 2, barring any radical changes.

It basically boils down to how many universes is in a multiverse so yeah it's pretty simple by comparison

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

One universe difference in Tier 2 being an infinite gap is a meme on itself.

this... technically it's indeterminate. But is practically treated as infinite. Cringe.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

We should consider doing this^ at some point.

Second this.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

this... technically it's indeterminate. But is practically treated as infinite. Cringe.

Oh this I can agree with, I'm not a fan of the infinite gap between a single universe and two in terms of power but hey it's easier than Tier 1.

Also does anyone have any plans to fix up more of the movie profiles?

 

[Padaruyos]

"So yeah this guy who destroyed 1 Googolplex^Googolplex + 1 Universes will one shot this other guy who destroyed a Googolplex^Googolplex amount of universes."

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

this... technically it's indeterminate. But is practically treated as infinite. Cringe.

It's probably that way cuz you'll hardly see any author actually quantifying the distance between universes

 

[Reiner04]

I'm surprised that thread is still open. OP got burned into a crisp.

Red badges are irrelevant prolly.

 

[Padaruyos]

Aren't there supposed to be a huge T2 revision where universal counts no longer gives a different AP and only scaling chain matters?

Because all of Tier 2 is just Infinite 4D.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

We should consider doing this^ at some point.

Let's not beat around the bush, it's moving the goalposts plain and simple. Honestly there shouldn't even be a discussion rule to prevent it (just common decency) but unfortunately good faith is at a premium here.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

It's probably that way cuz you'll hardly see any author actually quantifying the distance between universes

AP of explosions don't become stronger just because they propogate through distance between universes. This is true. I have never seen this in fiction.

inverse square law of distance matters zero at that point.

 

[Skarfz]

yea i dont like Tier 2 too.
imagine calling a being who destroyed thousands of Universes weak cause it didnt mention "space-time"

 

[Killerdrone123]

I'm surprised that thread is still open. OP got burned into a crisp.

Since it is against db even a war crime would be forgiven

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Aren't there supposed to be a huge T2 revision where universal counts no longer gives a different AP and only scaling chain matters?

Because all of Tier 2 is just Infinite 4D.

Ultima lazy busy, he did say he planned for it.

 

[Padaruyos]

AP of explosions don't become stronger just because they propogate through distance between universes. This is true. I have never seen this in fiction.

inverse square law of distance matters zero at that point.

Applying inverse square law which relies on distance which relies on space, on an attack that destroys space and time....

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Oh this I can agree with, I'm not a fan of the infinite gap between a single universe and two in terms of power but hey it's easier than Tier 1.

Also does anyone have any plans to fix up more of the movie profiles?

Perhaps, the dimensions of the lights, cast her in the manga

 

[Kroneii1]

Yeah, but that’s not due to potency. Hit’s Time powers come from his ability to essentially create his own pocket of stored time. Him using it in a Timeless Void, for example, would work be due to the fact he’s bringing Time with him to begin with. That said, there would probably be no time for him to accumulate in his Dimension when used there. (Though, obviously, Hit wouldn’t be able to use his powers due to being unable to move. This is just a hypothetical.)

Similarly, Whis outright says he can (and story straight implies he does) travel through time WITHOUT the aid of a Time Machine. Meaning Whis’ travel and/or control over time isn’t bounded by the current one he is in. This makes sense, considering the Grand Priest MADE Time in the WoV for people to experience.

Thats interesting

 

[Kroneii1]

Just woke up and saw we already have 6 votes and someone is trying to change standards again damn

Lmao