Dragon Ball Super Cosmology Discussion

[AwkguyDB]

Present is just the Z Timeline in context, don't act like they're the same timeline

I'M NOT I AM ACTIVELY SAYING ZAMASU WAS MERGING WITH ANOTHER TIMELINE

 

[Giygas3]

"So making exceptions because why not now?"

They're showing the exact same thing, just one of them outright tells the same thing that was outright showed to both versions. I can say the exact same thing of what's happening for the anime for Timelines while ignoring the manga, but the manga already tells it, so why do that? This is again very different to the BoG feat which was depicted a bit differently across the two continuities.

 

[sanicspood]

this is a warzone holy shit

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

No what you’re doing is making shit up. IZ isn’t just bigger, he’s higher dimensional. And you’re the one assuming that his levels of Ki are infinitely inferior to his physical strength. Do you know how outrageous of an assumption that is?

Not anymore outrageous than Kefla infinitely increasing her ki from SSJ to SSJ2, Goku infinitely increasing his ki by going from God to Blue, and Broly infinitely increasing his ki by going from Base to Ikari form

 

[Dragomer]

This is again very different to the BoG feat which was depicted a bit differently across the two continuities.

Even then, multiple threads accepted infos from both to determine the more unclear details of the feat and cosmology anyway.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Lmao at range = power for omnipresents

Bruh....that does not answer my question....if range does not matter...then tell me if Astral Zamasu had only expanded the size of galaxy or had almost expanded the size of one dimension but not fully.....absolutely no one would give Zamasu 3A let alone Low2C....
But now if IZ goes beyond the dimension upto another one...it suddenly does not matter?? Why the inconsistency in logic?

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

this is a warzone holy shit

Ikr? People don’t know how to be peaceful because all the opposition (no matter what side) is only willing to win the debate instead of understand each other.

 

[Dragomer]

Not anymore outrageous than Kefla infinitely increasing her ki from SSJ to SSJ2, Goku infinitely increasing his ki by going from God to Blue, and Broly infinitely increasing his ki by going from Base to Ikari form

Except none of those show any problems with each other and how stuff always worked in the franchise? Unlike your Zamasu thing that fly in the face of everything established yet.

 

[AKM sama]

Should I close this thread? Neither the downgrade, nor the upgrade is going to get accepted. This has been debated several times over the years and until we get some new evidence, there is no point beating yourselves up over this. That's why a discussion rule exists for said topic.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Yeah because at the end of the day Toriyama wrote key points for both Toei and Toyotaro to follow. Thats why many things are similar in both

 

[Dragomer]

Should I close this thread? Neither the downgrade, nor the upgrade is going to get accepted. This has been debated several times over the years and until we get some new evidence, there is no point beating yourselves up over this. That's why a discussion rule exists for said topic.

The only new argument (as far as I know) is the upgrade and no one is talking about it, it's just repeating old arguments from previous threads so yeah, might as well close it.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Should I close this thread? Neither the downgrade, nor the upgrade is going to get accepted. This has been debated several times over the years and until we get some new evidence, there is no point beating yourselves up over this. That's why a discussion rule exists for said topic.

No this needs to be settled we are having a discussion. This is literally why DB goes through the same CRT over and over again

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Not anymore outrageous than Kefla infinitely increasing her ki from SSJ to SSJ2, Goku infinitely increasing his ki by going from God to Blue, and Broly infinitely increasing his ki by going from Base to Ikari form

Ok? Your assumption is still based on nothing. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Don’t stoop to such low levels to downplay verses please.

 

[AwkguyDB]

The only new argument (as far as I know) is the upgrade and no one is talking about it, it's just repeating old arguments from previous threads so yeah, might as well close it.

EXACTLY LETS FOCUS ON THIS

 

[Giygas3]

Should I close this thread? Neither the downgrade, nor the upgrade is going to get accepted. This has been debated several times over the years and until we get some new evidence, there is no point beating yourselves up over this. That's why a discussion rule exists for said topic.

Personally, I think it would be a little better to wait. But, I do think just a blog talking about the cosmology of how it should be applied here and linked to the main dragon ball profiles should be used. There's far too much confusion that has been happening regarding it.

 

[Dragomer]

No this needs to be settled we are having a discussion. This is literally why DB goes through the same CRT over and over again

It's been settled in 20 different threads before the rule was made tho, ''''settling''' it here again won't stop the same CRT to happen again in 3 months and no one seems to want to focus on the actualy new argument so what's the point really?

The whole 'low 1-C' thing interest me because that's not a very talked about tier as far as I know so defining if the whole DB system fits it is actualy pretty important for our understanding of it's place in the tiering system.

 

[Antvasima]

The cosmology has been debated several times and it's perfectly fine as it is.

• Do not attempt to change the current Dragon Ball cosmology and power ratings without new evidence from an ongoing manga or anime series. We have heard all of the arguments many times before, and are so exhausted of constantly dealing with those topics that bringing them up recurrently leads to nowhere, with the discussion threads being oftentimes closed immediately.

Seeing as all the knowledgeable staff that came to this thread have rejected the downgrade proposals, should I close this?

I think so, yes.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Infinite Zamasu's upgrade to At Least Low 2-C and Black having a 2-C upgrade?

 

[VinnyXD]

this is a warzone holy shit

Not really.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Ok lets stop debating on the cosmology then NO ONE IS TRYING TO UPGRADE U7 TO 2-C

 

[AwkguyDB]

That also was another ridiculous argument that got the IZ thread closed that had literally nothing to do with it

 

[AwkguyDB]

Please stop closing threads without solving the issue brought up in the OP first

 

[Dragomer]

Ok lets stop debating on the cosmology then NO ONE IS TRYING TO UPGRADE U7 TO 2-C

The upgrade should have been a seperate thread anyway I think.

 

[Antvasima]

Should I close this thread? Neither the downgrade, nor the upgrade is going to get accepted. This has been debated several times over the years and until we get some new evidence, there is no point beating yourselves up over this. That's why a discussion rule exists for said topic.

Yes. I will close this. It definitely isn't worth the effort of being quickly spammed with hundreds of posts for something that we have repeatedly dealt with previously, to the point of having a discussions rule against it.

 

[AKM sama]

But, I do think just a blog talking about the cosmology

It's a fairly simple cosmology as far as the highest feat goes. And people just make it "confusing" because of applying the vsbw brain where it is not needed. The main DB timeline is a set of 12 separate universal space-time continuums. Hence why Zeno is 2-C. That's literally it.