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This was originally going to be a discussion on speed stats being outdated and how some characters aren't scaled up properly, but when looking through wiki articles, I came across something of a paradox when it comes to the scaling and discussion of who's superior to whom, so im going to bring it up now.
So, anyone who watches DBS knows that Goku is inferior to Beerus right? Like thats a given considering both how the latter is represented and how the authors clearly state multiple times that Beerus is still ahead of Goku no matter what transformation the Saiyan gets.
However, looking at the profiles for each character, somethings aren't adding up. But lets go over each key/profile piece by piece.
So, MUI Goku is about equal to Limit's Broken Jiren, who is naturally superior to his base self. This same base self is regarded in power as the following.
Going over to Belmond's profile, here's what is stated about his power:
MUI Goku = LB Jiren > Base Jiren >/= Belmond > Beerus
Granted, this does rely on Belmond possibly being stronger than Beerus, but you can remove him out of the equation and the scaling would still look like this:
MUI Goku = LB Jiren > Base Jiren >/= Most gods of destruction (incl. Beerus)
So, this means one of the few things.
So, anyone who watches DBS knows that Goku is inferior to Beerus right? Like thats a given considering both how the latter is represented and how the authors clearly state multiple times that Beerus is still ahead of Goku no matter what transformation the Saiyan gets.
However, looking at the profiles for each character, somethings aren't adding up. But lets go over each key/profile piece by piece.
So, MUI Goku is about equal to Limit's Broken Jiren, who is naturally superior to his base self. This same base self is regarded in power as the following.
It should also be noted that Jiren was considered as a candidate for the God of Destruction, but refused for personal reasons so it was passed onto Toppo. Considering that, plus the fact that Jiren power was capable of crushing Belmond, Jiren should be equal or superior to Belmond.Simply by walking, he was able to shake the World of Void[1], which was completely unaffected by the fight between three Gods of Destruction[2], with a fight between two Gods of Destruction being taboo[3] since it will result in the destruction of two universes[4] (each containing three separate space-times). The strength of his aura shocked Beerus[1], and Whis stated that Jiren’s power was like a God of Destruction, or perhaps even beyond it[5]. The force of his ki alone was going to crush all members of Universe 11 - including Belmod - as stated by Universe 11's Kaioshin, and Belmod seemingly acknowledged this by saying that he didn’t care as long as Universe 11 ended up winning the Tournament of Power)
Going over to Belmond's profile, here's what is stated about his power:
Note the last bit here about being Belmond possibly being superior than Beerus. Granted, not an issue on its own, but if you look at the scaling chain, the problem lies like so:Should be comparable or superior to Toppo, who is himself comparable a limit-broken Vegeta, who was capable of fighting competently with a held-back Jiren, stated several times to be the strongest foe in Dragon Ball history and surpassing the likes of even an incomplete Infinite Zamasu. Whis hinted that he might be stronger than Beerus
MUI Goku = LB Jiren > Base Jiren >/= Belmond > Beerus
Granted, this does rely on Belmond possibly being stronger than Beerus, but you can remove him out of the equation and the scaling would still look like this:
MUI Goku = LB Jiren > Base Jiren >/= Most gods of destruction (incl. Beerus)
So, this means one of the few things.
- MUI Goku could clap Beerus's cheeks and its only because he's a moron that Beerus's days arent numbered.
- Anime statements are being pulled out of Toei/Toyotaro's arsecrack and should probably be inspected individually so we can determine which statements are valid and which ones are contrarian/PIS/outliers
- The profiles regarding each character are flawed and we should probably organise a revision so that we have something of a chain scaling, since DBS movies are showing that Goku still has ways to go despite being comparable to Beerus (assuming that the DBS movies take place after the end of the TOP).
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