That’s fine, but your stance is notably flawed, simply because you can’t prove he would be ineffective.
Nah this doesn't make sense tbh, given the nature of what Infinite Zamasu is
Can you prove he would?
Goku's word is the proof. He knows himself, his limits, what he can and can't do, etc. better than the likes of me and you do.
Well, for one, the evidence is on you to prove that he couldn’t, since you stand with the positive claim it wouldn’t accomplish anything.
Even in the scenes when he wants to brag (showing off Ssj3 to Majin Buu, Beerus and later Future Trunks, as well as showing off Ssj2 to Zamasu), there was always a sense of humbleness. Like "oh yeah, this is powerful, but could be way better".
And why, pray tell, does the same not hold for the positive claim that it would?
Because we’ve already proven Goku is not one to overestimate his capabilities, and is actually more likely to compliment that of his adversaries. Plus, he already survived an attack from Infinite Zamasu, despite being so weak he couldn’t even go Blue.
When was that proven? You certainly claimed it.
Everyone here has already acknowledged that fact, but if you need an explicit example:
How does him recognizing that Beerus is too strong prove that he's never wrong about his own capabilities?
I don't see the relevance whatsoever to his credibility here. Do you have real evidence or just this conjecture? Without any evidence I have to stick with what Golden Void said.
Because unlike Vegeta, who’s shown time and time again to tackle opponents out of his league (he’s both responsible for Cell achieving his final form, and Buu’s arrival, and both opponents stomped him, along with him thinking one Zenkai could allow him to defeat Final Form Freeza), Goku actually acknowledges power disparities. He doesn’t find one here.
Everyone here already knows that, multiple people already agree with the stance because that’s intrinsic to Goku’s character. If your argument is “he doesn’t actually know Zamasu’s strength”, despite having Ki sensing, then this is pointless - the burden is on you to prove he wouldn’t be able to accomplish anything, and that’s that.
Uh, ever heard of Vegeta? Does the same concept apply or do you recognize that characters are routinely wrong about their own strength?
Well if you've declared it, it must be so!
Case n point, the entire fight with Frieza. Once Frieza revealed he was still holding back, Goku immediately went Spirit Bomb because he realized he couldn't beat him otherwise.
You’re free to think that, the majority is still insurmountably in our favor, however you want to take that (or don’t, idm), I’ll just let this thread take its course.
It means Goku knows what his limits are. Let me go back to the Cell example. He released his power in front of Korin and Yajirobe, and then admitted he won't be able to defeat Cell, much to their shock. Come the Cell Games, he's proven right, as Cell could fight SSJ Goku evenly while holding back (with Goku admitting that he himself gave it everything he had).
Would this suggest moreso a "possibly" rating, then?
Well no because this is only part of my argument.
Unlike Vegeta who constantly underestimates his opponents even when he has the ability to sense power levels and gets his ass beat for it, Goku is known to actually recognize power gaps, recognize his opponents superiority, and stand down when he knows he cannot win (him vs Cell). Even with extensive knowledge of his own limits and the ability to sense his opponents power levels (which he uses frequently), he still fully believes that he can do something if he had a senzu.
It almost comes off as arrogance, to be pretty frank.
Cool it with the passive aggressiveness. It isn’t helping your case
Tbf this is likely the first time the characters ever witnessed someone become a metaphysical being, so I wouldn't blame them too much for being in awe. But I get what you're saying.
It be like that sometimes
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The shock mainly come from two factors:
1. That was the original thing. It then became the fact that he was becoming everything, imposing his will even across timelines.
Hi I'm updating the tally, is it safe to put you down as agreeing with the thread?
Awesome, thanks
Screw it, I'll go with neutral until further notice
I swear I put your name what the hell-
