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Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread

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TheFallenProfit said:
No.

Zeno is explicitly stated to be the strongest numerous times.

By no means would it "make sense" for Rymus to be stronger.
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Being stated that several times doesn't make you the strongest, everything in DBS is being retconned, and those statements are not meant to be taken literal, it's been proven several times; Kami, Grand Supreme kai, Kaioshins/Glinds, GoDs, Angels, Zeno. This is not surprising, in fact, that begs the question of.....do we have evidence of the GoDs having knowledge of Rymus's existance?. Goku and others have been stated to be strongest warriors in the universe several times aswell, guess what....
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Honestly. Reimu being stronger than Zeno would make sense.
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This seems easy.
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
In Dragon ball Gods who are stated to be supreme end up with someone else ranks above them, like it happened with the Kami and the Grand Supreme Kai.
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That's a clear difference between the two cases.
When these gods are introduce, while they are strong, they got surpassed pretty Quick in the same Arc or next, they never the top dog for long, someone is already or Will be stronger than them.

Is difference for Zeno, since no character surpassed him since his introduction for the entire séries.
So Zeno don't fit the patern basically.
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Being stated that several times doesn't make you the strongest,
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Pff.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
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This seems easy.

That's a clear difference between the two cases.
When these gods are introduce, while they are strong, they got surpassed pretty Quick in the same Arc or next, they never the top dog for long, someone is already or Will be stronger than him.

Is difference for Zeno, since no character surpassed him since his introduction for the entire séries.
So Zeno don't fit the patern basically.

Pff.
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I mean, you know there is some truth to it. And if it's true Rymus created all timelines then that sole feat puts him heriously above what Zeno has done.
 
Tipper17 said:
Wouldn't fit dragon Ball given the main theme is always bigger fish out there
Right now he hold that title but we have no idea of his origins
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Exactly, Rymus was stated to be the max authority of the universes. Which suggests Zeno being the one who governs them physically, leaving Zeno as a kind of puppet or worker while Rymus watch from a higher dimensional plane above the universes. Imagine
 
Again this comment share the same thoughts I mentioned
"I'm kind of curious about the power of the supreme king of demons because he simply sent this guy to create universes"
It was practically: hey yo, create more existences so that I can dominate them later.
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Exactly, Rymus was stated to be the max authority of the universes. Which suggests Zeno being the one who governs them physically, leaving Zeno as a kind of puppet or worker while Rymus watch from a higher dimensional plane above the universes. Imagine
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The subs did say universe wise so maybe he only has jurisdiction of a universe but we'll see
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Not really, since Zeno can also destroy said timelines with ease.
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It was stated Rymus cretaed more universes and he was the authority of those, not just in one universe. Shin Knows about Zeno, and if he says this, we clearly see a plot twist here.
 
Tipper17 said:
The subs did say universe wise so maybe he only has jurisdiction of a universe but we'll see
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He did created more, and they didn't spicify the number, and given the context of hik creating more than one, it's clear he's the real ruler of the multiverse
 
RedReaper616 said:
This isn’t said—Just the universes. It’s possible he made the Timelines too, though.
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Well, if he created all the Universes then he gave life to the canon timeline, so i believe that from there the timelines divided and were created through time travel.

Remembering that nothing exists before the Universes were created, so this old man created the entire hyperline of the main canon time.
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
He did created more, and they didn't spicify the number, and given the context of hik creating more than one, it's clear he's the real ruler of the multiverse
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LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Well, if he created all the Universes then he gave life to the canon timeline, so i believe that from there the timelines divided and were created through time travel.

Remembering that nothing exists before the Universes were created, so this old man created the entire hyperline of the main canon time.
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I wonder how old is the Demon realm given it predates the multiverse
 
I'm not really sure how to feel about all this. Like, it doesn't mesh well with what's been established in DBS. Like if Shin knew about all this lore about the origins of the Demon Realm, why didn't he know about Zeno? And where does Zeno fit into all of this? How did he become Supreme Ruler? If he supposedly came from the Demon Realm, why doesn't he have pointed ears? Then there's the whole idea that Goku and the others forget there are multiple universes if they're given an in-depth explanation in this series. Goku and Vegeta express shock that there is more than one universe when Champa comes to Beerus' temple, but how would they be shocked by it if now they're told about the existence of multiple universes? It seems stupid to assume "they all just forgot." and yet another instance of changing what's been established in prior series without thinking about ramifications or consistency. I'm rather uncomfortable with how this will all play out.
 
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RedReaper616 said:
I mean, this is the same franchise that randomly lore-dropped Zalama, DRAGON GOD and Creator of “ORIGINAL” DRAGON BALLS and never mentioned this all important lore in any prior material. AT ALL! This is just more of the same.
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at least with Zalama, he's kept vague apart from creating the super dragonballs, so he can't contradict anything
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
I'm not really sure how to feel about all this. Like, it doesn't mesh well with what's been established in DBS. Like if Shin knew about all this lore about the origins of the Demon Realm, why didn't he know about Zeno? And where does Zeno fit into all of this? How did he become Supreme Ruler? If he supposedly came from the Demon Realm, why doesn't he have pointed ears? Then there's the whole idea that Goku and the others forget there are multiple universes if they're given an in-depth explanation in this series. Goku and Vegeta express shock that there is more than one universe when Champa comes to Beerus' temple, but how would they be shocked by it if now they're told about the existence of multiple universes? It seems stupid to assume "they all just forgot." and yet another instance of changing what's been established in prior series without thinking about ramifications or consistency. I'm rather uncomfortable with how this will all play out.
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Zeno was a random super strong guy all gods had to placate. His orgine is he somehow existed as was so strong he was a threat to everything and the angles had to plcate him
 
Honestly I don't want to be that guy, but I'd rather wait for Daima to reveal more information about Rymus before we start that he's stronger than Zeno or not.

Like given that Daima is suppose to have at least 20 episodes, and we're currently at episode 10, I imagine that we'll be receiving more information that could change things in the weeks to come.
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
Being stated that several times doesn't make you the strongest, everything in DBS is being retconned, and those statements are not meant to be taken literal, it's been proven several times; Kami, Grand Supreme kai, Kaioshins/Glinds, GoDs, Angels, Zeno. This is not surprising, in fact, that begs the question of.....do we have evidence of the GoDs having knowledge of Rymus's existance?. Goku and others have been stated to be strongest warriors in the universe several times aswell, guess what....
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You cannot compare statements based upon the limited knowledge of characters during certain times to blatant statements from the most reliable characters in the verse which is supported by the portrayal of said characters feats and standing in relation to everyone else.

Nothing suggests we're not meant to take the Zeno statements seriously, you wouldn't even be making this argument had this episode not come out.
 
Are you people seriously think that nothing existed before the creation of universe mean somehow the timeline didn't exist before?, and the Rymus guy created timeline? seriously, empty timeline is a thing you know
 
I guess Zen'ō is the GoD of the Dragon Ball Multiverses while Rymus is essentially the Supreme Kai of the Multiverses.

This would make sense and if Rymus exist on Heroes/Divers, logically that would make Chronoa is the Supreme Kai of Time of the entire Multiverses.

Zen'o: Destruction
Rymus: Creation
Chronoa: Space-Time
 
NishizumiShiho said:
I guess Zen'ō is the GoD of the Dragon Ball Multiverses while Rymus is essentially the Supreme Kai of the Multiverses.

This would make sense and if Rymus exist on Heroes/Divers, logically that would make Chronoa is the Supreme Kai of Time of the entire Multiverses.

Zen'o: Destruction
Rymus: Creation
Chronoa: Space-Time
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Chronoa is more like Preservation
 
Shin didn't know about Zeno at that time, how are people saying that shin not mentioning Zeno as the highest authority (he knew) makes Zeno weaker? It would be a huge plot hole if he name dropped Zeno. The allegations get stronger everyday

And no, claiming rymus made a timeline is a massive stretch, because the demon realm already existed, meaning there was a timeline present, unless you want to assume it's outside an entire timeline too which would be baseless. For now he just created universes as everything they contained
 
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