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No.
Zeno is explicitly stated to be the strongest numerous times.
By no means would it "make sense" for Rymus to be stronger.
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Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread
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Zeno is explicitly stated to be the strongest numerous times.
By no means would it "make sense" for Rymus to be stronger.
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Being stated that several times doesn't make you the strongest, everything in DBS is being retconned, and those statements are not meant to be taken literal, it's been proven several times; Kami, Grand Supreme kai, Kaioshins/Glinds, GoDs, Angels, Zeno. This is not surprising, in fact, that begs the question of.....do we have evidence of the GoDs having knowledge of Rymus's existance?. Goku and others have been stated to be strongest warriors in the universe several times aswell, guess what....
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This old man created the entire DB multiverse and including the timelines, would that make him low 1-C?
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I wonder how strong was the OG supreme demon king was given the order him to create the universes
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At this point, I always knew Zeno wasn't the strongest............
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This isn’t said—Just the universes. It’s possible he made the Timelines too, though.
Fezzih_007
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This seems easy.
That's a clear difference between the two cases.
When these gods are introduce, while they are strong, they got surpassed pretty Quick in the same Arc or next, they never the top dog for long, someone is already or Will be stronger than them.
Is difference for Zeno, since no character surpassed him since his introduction for the entire séries.
So Zeno don't fit the patern basically.
Pff.
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I mean, you know there is some truth to it. And if it's true Rymus created all timelines then that sole feat puts him heriously above what Zeno has done.
This seems easy.
That's a clear difference between the two cases.
When these gods are introduce, while they are strong, they got surpassed pretty Quick in the same Arc or next, they never the top dog for long, someone is already or Will be stronger than him.
Is difference for Zeno, since no character surpassed him since his introduction for the entire séries.
So Zeno don't fit the patern basically.
Pff.
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Wouldn't fit dragon Ball given the main theme is always bigger fish out there
Right now he hold that title but we have no idea of his origins
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Exactly, Rymus was stated to be the max authority of the universes. Which suggests Zeno being the one who governs them physically, leaving Zeno as a kind of puppet or worker while Rymus watch from a higher dimensional plane above the universes. Imagine
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The subs did say universe wise so maybe he only has jurisdiction of a universe but we'll see
Fezzih_007
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Not really, since Zeno can also destroy said timelines with ease.
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To force an old man to create the entire multiverse he would have to be at least low 1-C
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It was stated Rymus cretaed more universes and he was the authority of those, not just in one universe. Shin Knows about Zeno, and if he says this, we clearly see a plot twist here.
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Shin didn't knew about Zeno going by the anime only elder Kai did
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He did created more, and they didn't spicify the number, and given the context of hik creating more than one, it's clear he's the real ruler of the multiverse
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Well, if he created all the Universes then he gave life to the canon timeline, so i believe that from there the timelines divided and were created through time travel.
Remembering that nothing exists before the Universes were created, so this old man created the entire hyperline of the main canon time.
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Well then, doesn't change the fact Toriyama's plan was this, if not, Zeno would've been mentioned aswell. They are retconning DBS now, and as of now, I will believe Rymus is ranks above Zeno
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I wonder how old is the Demon realm given it predates the multiverse
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Whis mentions that there are 5 people above the Daishinkan, so there must be more amazing people.
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I'm not really sure how to feel about all this. Like, it doesn't mesh well with what's been established in DBS. Like if Shin knew about all this lore about the origins of the Demon Realm, why didn't he know about Zeno? And where does Zeno fit into all of this? How did he become Supreme Ruler? If he supposedly came from the Demon Realm, why doesn't he have pointed ears? Then there's the whole idea that Goku and the others forget there are multiple universes if they're given an in-depth explanation in this series. Goku and Vegeta express shock that there is more than one universe when Champa comes to Beerus' temple, but how would they be shocked by it if now they're told about the existence of multiple universes? It seems stupid to assume "they all just forgot." and yet another instance of changing what's been established in prior series without thinking about ramifications or consistency. I'm rather uncomfortable with how this will all play out.
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More than 75 million years
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at least with Zalama, he's kept vague apart from creating the super dragonballs, so he can't contradict anything
Fezzih_007
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That's really not impressive against Zeno, since can still destroy ALL of them anyway, and Rymus.
He din't know about Zeno trought.
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How is this a plothole? this is DB, does not matter how many times you are called the strongest, there is always a bigger fish
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Maybe that's why he's not around for this series? He'd bring up zeno and the Gods
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Zeno was a random super strong guy all gods had to placate. His orgine is he somehow existed as was so strong he was a threat to everything and the angles had to plcate him
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Honestly I don't want to be that guy, but I'd rather wait for Daima to reveal more information about Rymus before we start that he's stronger than Zeno or not.
Like given that Daima is suppose to have at least 20 episodes, and we're currently at episode 10, I imagine that we'll be receiving more information that could change things in the weeks to come.
Like given that Daima is suppose to have at least 20 episodes, and we're currently at episode 10, I imagine that we'll be receiving more information that could change things in the weeks to come.
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The Demon Realm existed.
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i wonder how big is it
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I wonder if there was a non demon relam back then
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You cannot compare statements based upon the limited knowledge of characters during certain times to blatant statements from the most reliable characters in the verse which is supported by the portrayal of said characters feats and standing in relation to everyone else.
Nothing suggests we're not meant to take the Zeno statements seriously, you wouldn't even be making this argument had this episode not come out.
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Are you people seriously think that nothing existed before the creation of universe mean somehow the timeline didn't exist before?, and the Rymus guy created timeline? seriously, empty timeline is a thing you know
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It's probably important to remember that Shin doesn't chronologically know of Zeno yet.
Vietthai96
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Mfs didn't even know about Beerus
NishizumiShiho
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I guess Zen'ō is the GoD of the Dragon Ball Multiverses while Rymus is essentially the Supreme Kai of the Multiverses.
This would make sense and if Rymus exist on Heroes/Divers, logically that would make Chronoa is the Supreme Kai of Time of the entire Multiverses.
Zen'o: Destruction
Rymus: Creation
Chronoa: Space-Time
This would make sense and if Rymus exist on Heroes/Divers, logically that would make Chronoa is the Supreme Kai of Time of the entire Multiverses.
Zen'o: Destruction
Rymus: Creation
Chronoa: Space-Time
Spinoirr
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Chronoa is more like Preservation
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I prefer my 2015 (or whenever zeno was revealed) theory that Zeno is the child of the original creator's (real)
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