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plus what separates the universes is just regular cosmos
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Dragon Ball Cosmology Revision
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Vietthai96
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So, the only thing people could come up with is
1. it is physical fly
2. it doesn't fit new standard
Anyway, i already brought up my points which confirm:
1. Whis can dimensional travelling
2. Universe 7 is its own space-time because of Whis dimension, back then ROSAT being inside universe is proof for U7 is its own space-time continuum and in turn other universes as well
3. A larger timeline contains smaller universal-sized space-time continuums, which mean space between universe is not regular 3D space
1. it is physical fly
2. it doesn't fit new standard
Anyway, i already brought up my points which confirm:
1. Whis can dimensional travelling
2. Universe 7 is its own space-time because of Whis dimension, back then ROSAT being inside universe is proof for U7 is its own space-time continuum and in turn other universes as well
3. A larger timeline contains smaller universal-sized space-time continuums, which mean space between universe is not regular 3D space
The cube is Angel's equipment so it is very normal to be able to do the same as Angel. SDB is Super Shenron, he is a strongest wish granting dragon, stated by Zeno to be able to do anything, and he scale above almost everyone else minus Grand Priest and Zeno
No, the Romaji of it is Kukan which mean Outer Space, however, due to it being isolated contexts it prove nothing at all, you can't even say it is a 3D space because nothing ever elaborated on it
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I already refuted this, stop repeating the same arguments, man, this is exhausting, you're not helping, you're disturbing refuted comments.
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Super Dragon Balls flight is a neutral; not a positive or negative. It's never stated to have Dimensional Travel, nor is it stated to not have it. I know positives require more evidence, but I think secondary evidence can still be used. But Super Dragon Balls flying is neither evidence nor counter evidence and thus dependent on secondary topics.
But, we already have proof that Whis has dimensional travel via the dozens of face value scans brought up above and via this post is face value evidence about U7 and U6 being different bodies of space. Which means if one travels via flight, it has to be dimensional flight. Just because there are no portals or teleportation doesn't mean it isn't dimensional travel and 4-D space flight is a thing. And if Super Dragon Balls can travel via flight, given it's a neutral statement where the positive half is dependent on secondary sources that are backed up, I think the logical conclusion is SDB also have dimensional travel/4D flight.
But, we already have proof that Whis has dimensional travel via the dozens of face value scans brought up above and via this post is face value evidence about U7 and U6 being different bodies of space. Which means if one travels via flight, it has to be dimensional flight. Just because there are no portals or teleportation doesn't mean it isn't dimensional travel and 4-D space flight is a thing. And if Super Dragon Balls can travel via flight, given it's a neutral statement where the positive half is dependent on secondary sources that are backed up, I think the logical conclusion is SDB also have dimensional travel/4D flight.
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I believe that this can be closed, taking the time room as part of the universe, but still being part of the macrocosm, and adding the justification of the @Vietthai, the other arguments were all debunked here, apart from that there are several proofs that the universes are separated by space-time and having their dimensions with different space-time
And who added, don't forget to put my arguments, they will help, where it is said that the world of the Kaioshins is separated by a barrier, we also have a statement from the novel stating that that dimension is dimensional limit of the Universe
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the dragon spheres about flying through the Universes have already been refuted by me, the Dragon spheres crossed the world of emptiness that is a dimension, and broke through all Universes restoring them
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considering that 3 staff fully agree, one agrees with the premise and one that also agrees but it prefered to be put in neutral, yeah no, stop trying to rush ir just because you personally believe it to be over, the downgrade side has more staff in favor of this, but we still need more to reach a compromise, stop trying to rush it
also the part about a barrier suggests that it is physically connected and that there is a physical barrier separating it
it wasn't refuted tho
we don't take things at face value? we see them physically flying therefore they are physically flying
what separates the universes is not 4D, it is just a regular cosmos, as shown in the end of the uni 7 and 6 tournament, the super dragon balls don't have even that, they are just flying just like how the normal dragon balls do
aside from the fact that they weren't debunked, the rosat is not part of the macrocosm, the granola arc makes that clear
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so?
they didn't break any universe what are you talking about?
Vietthai96
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he mean Broly and Gogeta broke dimensional barriers/boundaries in their fight
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he may not be part of the universe, but he is still part of the macrocosm, and yes, the arguments have all been debunked, you're just repeating the same things, stop it!
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overcome spheres came out of the world of emptiness restoring all Universes, spheres also have dimensional travel.
Your arguments are all unchecked here
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Yes, I'm also talking about Dragon Balls, which came out of the world of emptiness and went around restoring all Universes.
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it doesn't matter if the three of the team agree, the arguments have been refuted, and two top administrators are against.
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yes it does, who gets to decided if they were refuted is not you, it is the staff, the two staff in disagreement are outvoted, we need more input, if for example 8 staff agreed then this would pass, this is just an example tho, i have seen cases like these before, this is nowhere close to being enough for it to be closed
oh okay, that is more of an ap or hax based thing then flight tho, idk why bring up here?
no since the wish covered all of the macrocosm, but the rosat freeza was in was still not counted
you know that i can say the same thing to you right? you don't get to decide if it was debunked or not, we need more staff to give their opinions here, that is what will decide if this passes or not
what about the world of void?
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in fact, I'm not the one who decided this, but the administrators here, your arguments were refuted, you're repeating this throughout the topic, it is noted that more than three pages were yours alone comments again and again, with even refuted arguments.
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I'm trying, but our little friend is repeating the same things since the beginning of the thread.
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So the everyone does. One side believing they are correct than the other side otherwise. That's all there is to see. As a neutral member here, I can see that both side has a valid points and both sides are lacking something, for me, my only concern is that I myself do not think that physical travel should discredit something but if it's what tier 2 revision has accepted, so be it.
Vietthai96
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What he trying to say that there is a dimensional barries/boundaries for the universe, in turn mean it is isolated, separate space-time
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this, dimensional boudaries don't prove separated space times
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Bingo
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Why can’t Dimensional Travel happen via flight are you claiming that this is something the wiki doesn’t accept? I would love to hear why that possibly can’t happen
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when did i say that it couldn't?
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“well, it is dimensional travel, but since it is made via flight it is a problem to the universes being space times as per out standards”
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i said that it is dimensional travel, while you said "Why can’t Dimensional Travel happen via flight", i said that it can
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How is dimensional travel against our wiki standards then?
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can you please explain your point fully instead of making several posts? when did i said that it was?
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Basically in your post you said that dimensional travel via flight is breaking our standards but perhaps you might’ve meant something else by it but that’s what was said and I was trying to correct it
Well it’s not normal flight as Vietthai has shown above and Luffy has explained countless times and even I have shown and explained
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Wdym not a normal flight? It's their way to fly, that's all to it. Characters in fiction flies and name it different as well. At the end of the day, it is a flight and for it to prove anything, it must be higher dimensional.
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It’s how Whis travels if you consider it a flight or not doesn’t matter it’s just a way of transportation I’m confused on what you mean by it being higher dimensional flight
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Wtf, it's flight, he takes 2 legit days in reaching zenoh palace. Where does teleportation and all came from?
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A way of transportation and time isn’t relevant here and I never mentioned teleportation it’s simply DT
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Time is very much relevant here and Dimensional travel doesn't mean anything here in this case if done via physical flight, and leave me with all that "Teleportation" headcanon.
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i agree with this
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To clarify, the general argument of the OP is the proposal that all universes share the same Space-Time continuum and exist in the same 3-D space?
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Yeah, they exist in same timeline/spacetime continuum because of several reasons mentioned in the OP.
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Is there current agreement that there is a dimensional wall of sorts that separates the world of the Kais, normal verse, Heaven, Hell, etc?
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