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Yeah, all the Dimensions are indeed separated from each other via dimensional barrier/wall.Is there current agreement that there is a dimensional wall of sorts that separates the world of the Kais, normal verse, Heaven, Hell, etc?
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Yeah, all the Dimensions are indeed separated from each other via dimensional barrier/wall.Is there current agreement that there is a dimensional wall of sorts that separates the world of the Kais, normal verse, Heaven, Hell, etc?
Yes.Is the same said about dimensional walls of sorts between universes?
I mean that's a given otherwise they wouldn't be separated dimensions and you would have stuff like Hell just collapsing and fall to the Mortal World.Is there current agreement that there is a dimensional wall of sorts that separates the world of the Kais, normal verse, Heaven, Hell, etc?
Assuming that each universes are structured in the same way, each Mortal World should exist in its own dimension.Is the same said about dimensional walls of sorts between universes?
just because you keep repeating that it's done via physical flight doesn't mean it actually is btwTime is very much relevant here and Dimensional travel doesn't mean anything here in this case if done via physical flight, and leave me with all that "Teleportation" headcanon.
yeah bro, in my comment that's all saying, and proof of it.Is the same said about dimensional walls of sorts between universes?
Sorry but I won't say that it was done via creating portals and took them 2 days in doing so. Also won't say that when they shown to fly off to universe 10 then they didn't. Also that guide book stating it takes 2 days to travel upto zeno palace, I don't know what to say.just because you keep repeating that it's done via physical flight doesn't mean it actually is btw
Is there current agreement that there is a dimensional wall of sorts that separates the world of the Kais, normal verse, Heaven, Hell, etc?
Is the same said about dimensional walls of sorts between universes?
So, the only thing people could come up with is
1. it is physical fly
2. it doesn't fit new standard
Anyway, i already brought up my points which confirm:
1. Whis can dimensional travelling
2. Universe 7 is its own space-time because of Whis dimension, back then ROSAT being inside universe is proof for U7 is its own space-time continuum and in turn other universes as well
3. A larger timeline contains smaller universal-sized space-time continuums, which mean space between universe is not regular 3D space
The cube is Angel's equipment so it is very normal to be able to do the same as Angel. SDB is Super Shenron, he is a strongest wish granting dragon, stated by Zeno to be able to do anything, and he scale above almost everyone else minus Grand Priest and Zeno
No, the Romaji of it is Kukan which mean Outer Space, however, due to it being isolated contexts it prove nothing at all, you can't even say it is a 3D space because nothing ever elaborated on it
Akira toriyama interview about Universe 7, he explicitly mentions that the world of the Kaioshins is outside the Universe
"and the Kaiōshin oversee all that from the outside"
and once again Akira toriyama mentioned that entry is impossible
all sources are taken directly from the work and said by Akira toriyama, everything he says is law.
source:
Translations | Dragon Ball Full Color: Majin Buu Arc Volume #05 (04 July 2014)
Shueisha and Akira Toriyama answer questions in the fifth Majin Buu arc Full Color manga release. English translation by Kanzenshuu.www.kanzenshuu.com
it is said that the world of the living and the dead are separated by a barrier
"the universe is located beneath the World Beyond, and it is hermetically sealed by a barrier that is engraved with a strange design".
having a different history will result in an entirely different flow of time, as demonstrated in the Black Saga.
all 12 Universes do not share the same history, different history suggests totally different times, as presented by the trunks, where an event occurs in one universe will not affect another
Each universe has its own history, like Universe 6 being a twin, although being twins have totally different histories, separated by different space-times.
For each universe, there is a distinct timeline, here it is mentioned that there are several time rings with all Kaioshins
https://imgur.com/a/tLEWtBa
Continuing... Right here, the work brings the same concept used in the databook and in other guides, where no mortal can go to the afterlife and the world of the Kaioshins
https://imgur.com/a/pT2btxj
I repeat, no mortal can go to other planes, except Gods with teleportation and angels with dimensional travel.
https://imgur.com/a/3eliPu0
There are more than three evidences, both in the manga, anime, and by Akira toriyama, the afterlife world is separate, which no mortal is able to access.
as you can see, it's still the same premise, nothing has changed, except the 12 Universes, they contain more afterlife, as you can see the world of Kaioshins and afterlife is separate, there is a barrier separating them, which is only accessible via teleportation and dimensional travel
https://imgur.com/a/e8dJvxc
It is noted that there are barriers with strange names separating the afterlife from the living world, as in the description of the databook and guide
and once again it is confirmed that no one can access another world
https://imgur.com/a/yu5t9Vc
there is also mention of another dimension, and that already has sizes confirmed in the manga
https://imgur.com/Gx6pl11
https://imgur.com/a/W3A9eEp
Of course there is more evidence, but then my text would be huge
there's more stuff, but it's a lot of text and a lot of scansI don't feel like writing giant posts just to address a bunch of things already countered numerous times by Executor, Luffy, ect. But the "Warp" ability is dimensional travel at Massively FTL+ speed, but it's still dimensional travel. They don't need to be teleporting or entering portals, it's just they can fly in a pattern that crosses a 4th spatial dimension; which some technically call the 5th dimension but I usually prefer to number spatial dimensions and temporal dimensions separately. But it allows him to fly to different bodies of spaces.
Luffy already brought up the "Universes having different histories" thing and Executor has a scan for different universes being different bodies of spaces. So I accept those as U7 and U6 being different space-time continuums. Thus the timeline as 2-C sized.
RoSaT stuff have no evidence period; everything points to it being closer U7's living universe than it does any of the other 11 universes. And there's 0 reason for Buu's or SSJ3 Gotenks' range to be above Beerus' as he doesn't have the power. As would Dende's range be above Beerus, Whis, or the Kaioshin as he was able to recreate the RoSaT after Vegeta destroyed it. Destroying the RoSaT also destroyed the building on the Lookout.
Also, I'm not sure where people are getting "Higher dimension", no one is saying anything about Low 1-C stuff nor does it need to be traveling between higher dimension to be dimensional travel. The proposal is merely 2-C.
As for other stuff or saying U7 is 2-C sized and by extension the rest of the timeline is even bigger levels of 2-C? I'm not sure; I don't think using Toei Anime exclusive statement to call that 2-C sized is the best idea. As for the "Demon World/Universe" in the original manga. That actually is interesting; I heard it is not the same as Hell/HFIL, but if it's another "Universe" that is also included in U7, I'm not sure if that is evidence for 2-C though.
Overall, I'm unsure but think it's best to keep the respective tiers where they currently are.
dimensional travel isn't limited to only this, broSorry but I won't say that it was done via creating portals and took them 2 days in doing so. Also won't say that when they shown to fly off to universe 10 then they didn't. Also that guide book stating it takes 2 days to travel upto zeno palace, I don't know what to say.
I don't get your point actually. Dimensional travel is nothing more than travelling between Dimensions regardless the way you do it. It doesn't matter to this case as long as it's done via something that distance component is not involved (portals, teleportation, etc), it doesn't matter.dimensional travel isn't limited to only this, bro
there's no need to assume, because Whis & co didn't just make a stop in U10 after a long flight. The animators made an effort to show them appearing through a portal, and that cosmic-ass looking portal promptly closed once they arrived. This point has been made countless times in this thread already, i think we're all getting tired of going around in circles here(via portal, higher D movement)
Breaching a dimensional barrier is not opening a portal, you aren't taking a entrance or gate, you're breaking into a another dimension. They fly off to U7 in the regular way and Dimensional barrier is bound to be breached.there's no need to assume, because Whis & co didn't just make a stop in U10 after a long flight. The animators made an effort to show them appearing through a portal, and that cosmic-ass looking portal promptly closed once they arrived. This point has been made countless times in this thread already, i think we're all getting tired of going around in circles here
burden of proof is on you, prove that it was a broken dimensional barrier and not a portalBreaching a dimensional barrier is not opening a portal, you aren't taking a entrance or gate, you're breaking into a another dimension. They fly off to U7 in the regular way and Dimensional barrier is bound to be breached.
That's something is on you. They fly off from one universe to another, dimensional barrier came in the middle and it'll be breached.burden of proof is on you, prove that it was a broken dimensional barrier and not a portal
headcanon unfortunately, all we see is a portal being open, them entering U10 from it, and then it closingdimensional barrier came in the middle and it'll be breached.
Unfortunately no one did. It's a headcanon they opened a portal.headcanon unfortunately, all we see is a portal being open, them entering U10 from it, and then it closing
ight broUnfortunately no one did. It's a headcanon they opened a portal.
I recommend that you study the entire work before saying this, it is not a normal flight
I did, whis flight aura entered as thin light and expanded and breached the barrier.ight bro
feel free to think what you want tho
no, i said that travel to another space time via flight break our standardsBasically in your post you said that dimensional travel via flight is breaking our standards but perhaps you might’ve meant something else by it but that’s what was said and I was trying to correct it
basically, plus what separates the universes is regular 3D space and cosmos, as shown here this scene happens in the dimension between universes, it has its own cosmos planets and galaxies even, making not the higher dimension that by our standards should be between space timesIs the same said about dimensional walls of sorts between universes?
Why contain planets, galaxies and other things make it not higher dimension??, this logic make no sense, there is no standard stated that that higher dimension should not contain objectsbasically, plus what separates the universes is regular 3D space and cosmos, as shown here this scene happens in the dimension between universes, it has its own cosmos planets and galaxies even, making not the higher dimension that by our standards should be between space times
3D objects like light should be able to move in higher dimensions, yet the light of the stars in the realm between universes can, planets shouldn't be able to move, yet they can in db, the very thing that make planets come into existance is 3D movement, which is impossible in a higher dimensionWhy contain planets, galaxies and other things make it not higher dimension??, this logic make no sense, there is no standard stated that that higher dimension should not contain objects
the dimension dormammu is still considered a higher dimension? If so they also have planets in them, I don't see anything refuting that.Why contain planets, galaxies and other things make it not higher dimension??, this logic make no sense, there is no standard stated that that higher dimension should not contain objects
The depiction is one of like normal space regardless, the entire thing is inside one timeline and the flight is possible, so separation must be proved about higher Dimension or atleast something that is unreachable and cannot be transversed but I can see that neutral space has quite being shown (which shouldn't have been done in the first place) and has depiction of normal spaces at that characters, things are crossing it and can transverse it at that? Hell nah.Why contain planets, galaxies and other things make it not higher dimension??, this logic make no sense, there is no standard stated that that higher dimension should not contain objects
A verse you don't know about shouldn't bring up in the first place, nothing in MCU is w/o explicit statement, do Dragonball have such thing?the dimension dormammu is still considered a higher dimension? If so they also have planets in them, I don't see anything refuting that.
I didn't quote you my friend, so try to respect my question to him, is that ok with you?A verse you don't know about shouldn't bring up in the first place, nothing in MCU is w/o explicit statement, do Dragonball have such thing?
he answered your questionI didn't quote you my friend, so try to respect my question to him, is that ok with you?
mcu has explicit statements, db does not, in fact they don't eve use the kanji for higher dimension to describe itA verse you don't know about shouldn't bring up in the first place, nothing in MCU is w/o explicit statement, do Dragonball have such thing?
I asked Vietthai96, my friend.he answered your question
mcu has explicit statements, db does not, in fact they don't eve use the kanji for higher dimension to describe it
I'm connected about the dimension, since it appeared, but we are referring to higher DIMENSIONS having planets in them, I noticed that in the dark dimension it's like this lolI don't even know what the MCU has to do with this but the Dark Dimension is described like this
Whataboutism on its peak.I don't even know what the MCU has to do with this but the Dark Dimension is described like this
she showed up, however, she didn't give her opinion, I thought she would give her opinion, but it's been about 7 days (I think) since she disappeared, that worries me.Just ping @AKM sama, he would solve this in matter of seconds.
.I am late to this discussion, my apologies. But I'm assuming there is a TLDR other than what's in the OP since the thread is already at page 5?
even if this is true, the argument stays mostly the sameI'll make a full reply soon, but for the record, the Super Dragon Balls from the U6 Tournament were not distributed between Universe 6 and 7. They were all native to Universe 6. Universe 7 has its own Super Dragon Balls.
Sorry. Something Beerus said about the universes and the Super Dragon Balls made me mistaken.even if this is true, the argument stays mostly the same
yes they are different dimensions but they aren't different space timesIn any case, here's what I've determined so far.
All twelve universe spheres are separated from the neutral space between them by dimensional walls.
As shown by the angels and the cube, they cause distortions in space that allow them to use a form of white space to pass through the walls.
Per Champa, mortals can't go to another universe by simply flying in one direction. Hit was lured into the tournament because he had a need for the Cube. I don't know how Hit arrived at or left U7 for his assassination mission, but it should be clear that it's not from his own power, otherwise, he wouldn't be tempted for the cube.