- 9,982
- 10,819
Yeah, all the Dimensions are indeed separated from each other via dimensional barrier/wall.
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Dragon Ball Cosmology Revision
- Thread starter Aachintya31
- Start date
-
- Tags
- dragon ball
- Status
- 7,486
- 7,677
Is the same said about dimensional walls of sorts between universes?
- 9,982
- 10,819
Yes.
Stefano4444
He/Him- 6,195
- 5,321
I mean that's a given otherwise they wouldn't be separated dimensions and you would have stuff like Hell just collapsing and fall to the Mortal World.
Assuming that each universes are structured in the same way, each Mortal World should exist in its own dimension.
Last edited:
- 628
- 1,157
just because you keep repeating that it's done via physical flight doesn't mean it actually is btw
- 12,116
- 6,084
yeah bro, in my comment that's all saying, and proof of it.
- 9,982
- 10,819
Sorry but I won't say that it was done via creating portals and took them 2 days in doing so. Also won't say that when they shown to fly off to universe 10 then they didn't. Also that guide book stating it takes 2 days to travel upto zeno palace, I don't know what to say.
- 12,116
- 6,084
Akira toriyama interview about Universe 7, he explicitly mentions that the world of the Kaioshins is outside the Universe
"and the Kaiōshin oversee all that from the outside"
and once again Akira toriyama mentioned that entry is impossible
all sources are taken directly from the work and said by Akira toriyama, everything he says is law.
source:
Translations | Dragon Ball Full Color: Majin Buu Arc Volume #05 (04 July 2014)
Shueisha and Akira Toriyama answer questions in the fifth Majin Buu arc Full Color manga release. English translation by Kanzenshuu.www.kanzenshuu.com
it is said that the world of the living and the dead are separated by a barrier
"the universe is located beneath the World Beyond, and it is hermetically sealed by a barrier that is engraved with a strange design".
having a different history will result in an entirely different flow of time, as demonstrated in the Black Saga.
all 12 Universes do not share the same history, different history suggests totally different times, as presented by the trunks, where an event occurs in one universe will not affect another
Each universe has its own history, like Universe 6 being a twin, although being twins have totally different histories, separated by different space-times.
For each universe, there is a distinct timeline, here it is mentioned that there are several time rings with all Kaioshins
https://imgur.com/a/tLEWtBa
Continuing... Right here, the work brings the same concept used in the databook and in other guides, where no mortal can go to the afterlife and the world of the Kaioshins
https://imgur.com/a/pT2btxj
I repeat, no mortal can go to other planes, except Gods with teleportation and angels with dimensional travel.
https://imgur.com/a/3eliPu0
There are more than three evidences, both in the manga, anime, and by Akira toriyama, the afterlife world is separate, which no mortal is able to access.
as you can see, it's still the same premise, nothing has changed, except the 12 Universes, they contain more afterlife, as you can see the world of Kaioshins and afterlife is separate, there is a barrier separating them, which is only accessible via teleportation and dimensional travel
https://imgur.com/a/e8dJvxc
It is noted that there are barriers with strange names separating the afterlife from the living world, as in the description of the databook and guide
and once again it is confirmed that no one can access another world
https://imgur.com/a/yu5t9Vc
there is also mention of another dimension, and that already has sizes confirmed in the manga
https://imgur.com/Gx6pl11
https://imgur.com/a/W3A9eEp
Of course there is more evidence, but then my text would be huge
there's more stuff, but it's a lot of text and a lot of scans
- 628
- 1,157
dimensional travel isn't limited to only this, bro
- 9,982
- 10,819
I don't get your point actually. Dimensional travel is nothing more than travelling between Dimensions regardless the way you do it. It doesn't matter to this case as long as it's done via something that distance component is not involved (portals, teleportation, etc), it doesn't matter.dimensional travel isn't limited to only this, bro
- 9,982
- 10,819
If you mean the second section of the TIering FAQ then all it says is that 3D travel from one space to another is counter-evidence. Higher dimensional travel and stuff is already explicitly not included.
Of course, what is what needs to be judged based on the surrounding context. For example, if a character clearly does just fly off in a regular 3D way and then is at some point at the other space, I wouldn't assume that they just happened to activate their dimensional travel (via portal, higher D movement or teleportation) after flying for a week for little to no reason. Nor would I assume that they happened to find a portal. At least, unless there really is very solid explanation regarding how universes are separated.
-Donttalkdt
Of course, what is what needs to be judged based on the surrounding context. For example, if a character clearly does just fly off in a regular 3D way and then is at some point at the other space, I wouldn't assume that they just happened to activate their dimensional travel (via portal, higher D movement or teleportation) after flying for a week for little to no reason. Nor would I assume that they happened to find a portal. At least, unless there really is very solid explanation regarding how universes are separated.
-Donttalkdt
- 628
- 1,157
there's no need to assume, because Whis & co didn't just make a stop in U10 after a long flight. The animators made an effort to show them appearing through a portal, and that cosmic-ass looking portal promptly closed once they arrived. This point has been made countless times in this thread already, i think we're all getting tired of going around in circles here
- 9,982
- 10,819
Breaching a dimensional barrier is not opening a portal, you aren't taking a entrance or gate, you're breaking into a another dimension. They fly off to U7 in the regular way and Dimensional barrier is bound to be breached.
- 628
- 1,157
burden of proof is on you, prove that it was a broken dimensional barrier and not a portal
- 9,982
- 10,819
That's something is on you. They fly off from one universe to another, dimensional barrier came in the middle and it'll be breached.
All the case above is bound to happen if they fly off and that's exactly what was brought up here by @SSJGeminiJJ that they fly off very fast that it breached the dimensional barrier and so I don't need to prove it given all this.
Now, your case, they travelled all the way to the end of the universe (why didn't opened a portal or used teleportation in the first place before all this?) and while flying w/o stopping opened a portal there just to reach a inch ahead and kept flying. Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence.
- 628
- 1,157
headcanon unfortunately, all we see is a portal being open, them entering U10 from it, and then it closing
- 9,982
- 10,819
Unfortunately no one did. It's a headcanon they opened a portal.
- 628
- 1,157
- 9,982
- 10,819
I did, whis flight aura entered as thin light and expanded and breached the barrier.
- 11,910
- 4,281
no, i said that travel to another space time via flight break our standards
- 11,910
- 4,281
basically, plus what separates the universes is regular 3D space and cosmos, as shown here this scene happens in the dimension between universes, it has its own cosmos planets and galaxies even, making not the higher dimension that by our standards should be between space times
Vietthai96
He/Him- 10,145
- 14,401
Why contain planets, galaxies and other things make it not higher dimension??, this logic make no sense, there is no standard stated that that higher dimension should not contain objects
- 11,910
- 4,281
3D objects like light should be able to move in higher dimensions, yet the light of the stars in the realm between universes can, planets shouldn't be able to move, yet they can in db, the very thing that make planets come into existance is 3D movement, which is impossible in a higher dimension
- 12,116
- 6,084
the dimension dormammu is still considered a higher dimension? If so they also have planets in them, I don't see anything refuting that.
- 9,982
- 10,819
The depiction is one of like normal space regardless, the entire thing is inside one timeline and the flight is possible, so separation must be proved about higher Dimension or atleast something that is unreachable and cannot be transversed but I can see that neutral space has quite being shown (which shouldn't have been done in the first place) and has depiction of normal spaces at that characters, things are crossing it and can transverse it at that? Hell nah.
- 9,982
- 10,819
A verse you don't know about shouldn't bring up in the first place, nothing in MCU is w/o explicit statement, do Dragonball have such thing?
- 12,116
- 6,084
I didn't quote you my friend, so try to respect my question to him, is that ok with you?
- 11,910
- 4,281
he answered your question
mcu has explicit statements, db does not, in fact they don't eve use the kanji for higher dimension to describe it
- 12,116
- 6,084
I asked Vietthai96, my friend.
- 12,116
- 6,084
I'm connected about the dimension, since it appeared, but we are referring to higher DIMENSIONS having planets in them, I noticed that in the dark dimension it's like this lol
- 9,982
- 10,819
Whataboutism on its peak.
- 18,393
- 14,323
- 12,116
- 6,084
she showed up, however, she didn't give her opinion, I thought she would give her opinion, but it's been about 7 days (I think) since she disappeared, that worries me.
- 12,116
- 6,084
- 11,910
- 4,281
even if this is true, the argument stays mostly the same
- 7,486
- 7,677
Sorry. Something Beerus said about the universes and the Super Dragon Balls made me mistaken.
- 7,486
- 7,677
In any case, here's what I've determined so far.
All twelve universe spheres are separated from the neutral space between them by dimensional walls.
As shown by the angels and the cube, they cause distortions in space that allow them to use a form of white space to pass through the walls.
Per Champa, mortals can't go to another universe by simply flying in one direction. Hit was lured into the tournament because he had a need for the Cube. I don't know how Hit arrived at or left U7 for his assassination mission, but it should be clear that it's not from his own power, otherwise, he wouldn't be tempted for the cube.
All twelve universe spheres are separated from the neutral space between them by dimensional walls.
As shown by the angels and the cube, they cause distortions in space that allow them to use a form of white space to pass through the walls.
Per Champa, mortals can't go to another universe by simply flying in one direction. Hit was lured into the tournament because he had a need for the Cube. I don't know how Hit arrived at or left U7 for his assassination mission, but it should be clear that it's not from his own power, otherwise, he wouldn't be tempted for the cube.
Last edited:
- 11,910
- 4,281
yes they are different dimensions but they aren't different space times
- Status
