Dragon Ball Additions + Verse Page Clean Up

[Ednaxel2]

Vegeta's charged attacks​

Vegeta's Galick Gun is said to be straight up, Vegeta's version of the kamehameha, so he should get a "Varies, up to tier/rating with Galick Gun" just for that. Additionally his Big Bang Attack should be "even higher" than that, being said to greatly exceed the Galick Gun, and his Final Flash should be "much higher" as it's too powerful to be fired in Super Saiyan Grade 1, requiring the limit surpassing form Grade 2, even though the Big Bang Attack can be fired in Grade 1.

Every key beyond the First Post-HBTC one will be just "Varies, up to tier/rating with charged attacks" just to better simplify it

Guldo the Immortal!​

Guldo should have immortality type 2 since after he got beheaded he was still alive and talking.

Champa Justification Removal​

Champa's justification includes this:

Comparable to Beerus, who possesses an incomplete Ultra Instinct

Beerus using ultra instinct against all the other destroyers is manga only and is not present in the anime, this should be removed.

Shin and Gowasu the FRAUDS​

They have healing on their profiles though with no justification. It's explained that only the likes of Kibito and anyone who serves Gowasu and Shin have the ability to heal, not themselves. This should be removed.

Additional Scans for some characters​

Vegeta/Trunks post-HBTC (speed):
even higher as a Super Saiyan Grade 2 (Further boosts the speed of Super Saiyan)
Super Perfect Cell:
After gaining a zenkai boost, be became the "strongest being"

Dabura yaaaay​

I just want to change his AP section from this:

Solar System level (Equal to Perfect Cell. Fought comparably against SSJ Gohan), Stone Spit ignores durability

To this:

Solar System level (Stated numerous times to be equal to Super Perfect Cell. After testing out the strength of Super Saiyan Gohan, he was confident in easily defeating him), can ignore conventional durability via Stone Spit

With this note:

Note: "Super Perfect Cell" is simply Perfect Cell after receiving a zenkai, with the name itself only being present in the Daizenshuu and some games. It wouldn't make sense for Dabura to be compared to Perfect Cell pre-zenkai. nor is that ever implied.

Verse Page Clean Up​

The verse page has many glaring issues, such as:

• Essentially two seperate sections talking about the power of the verse.
• DBS Anime characters being slided with actual canon characters, while DBS Manga characters have their own section separate from the main canon (Even though they're actually canon, while the anime is not)
• Unimportant notes such as "The current scaling of the characters is not perfect. Still, it is the best solution to the series' numerous inconsistencies".
• Two seperate notes sections.
• The games and toei verse being linked at the bottom of the page even though the info box at the top already covers that.

And many other things. To solve these issues I applied changes to the verse page all in this sandbox, please don't mind the fact that there aren't any member lists as they were removed to make the creation of this much easier.

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

Super Perfect Cell:
Achieved his "strongest existence"

that scan is mistranslated, it actually says he became the strongest being

Even though they're actually canon, while the anime is not

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the rest should be fine

 

[Spinoirr]

What about Vegeta's gamma burst flash in the Super manga that thing is even stronger than a final flash

 

[Ednaxel2]

that scan is mistranslated, it actually says he became the strongest being

Then that should be used instead thanks

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What's confusing?

What about Vegeta's gamma burst flash in the Super manga that thing is even stronger than a final flash

I don't think its been implied to be superior to the final flash but we can just say
"Varies, up to far higher with charged attacks (The Gamma Burst Flash completely annihilated two Fusion Zamasus)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I agree

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Everything looks good, I agree.

 

[SamanPatou]

All seems ok, but the Damage Boost-property of beam attacks linked either in the P&A or in the Ki Manipulation (Dragon Ball) page should be fine enough, to not clog up Vegeta's profile with too many specifications.
I wouldn't talk of DBS anime and manga as having or not canon priority over each other, they're just two separate canons going on parallel lines.

 

[Ednaxel2]

All seems ok, but the Damage Boost-property of beam attacks linked either in the P&A or in the Ki Manipulation (Dragon Ball) page should be fine enough, to not clog up Vegeta's profile with too many specifications.

That's already in his P&A section, and concentrated attacks are already in the ki page. This is just properly indexing them into the AP section

I wouldn't talk of DBS anime and manga as having or not canon priority over each other, they're just two separate canons going on parallel lines.

We treat one as having the original manga canon to it while the other as a continuation of an adaptation of the original manga, one should have more priority over the other

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

What's confusing?

since when was the anime not canon?

 

[Damage3245]

Guldo the Immortal!​

Guldo should have immortality type 2 since after he got beheaded he was still alive and talking.

I don't think that's enough to count for immortality; he may have been about to die shortly after that if Vegeta hadn't blown him up first. He sounded annoyed at being "killed" by Vegeta by being decapitated by him.

 

[Ednaxel2]

since when was the anime not canon?

Thread 'To be canon or not to be that is the question.A Dragon ball Super revision'

Sep 28, 2024

Well hello everyone I am back with another crt the objective of this crt would be to prove why DBZ Kai is canon to DBS anime


First let me lay some base for the argument in Dragon ball Super we can see them using flash backs from the anime for some scenes in super


1)In Dragon ball super episode 39 during Goku vs hit fight,Goku goes ssjb kaioken against hit and we can see Vegeta go into flashback of his fight with Goku when he was using kaioken in his fight in this exact moment they use a scene from the anime to represent vegeta’s flashback





2)In dragon ball super...

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I don't think that's enough to count for immortality; he may have been about to die shortly after that if Vegeta hadn't blown him up first. He sounded annoyed at being "killed" by Vegeta by being decapitated by him.

I'm not sure about that, he was completely defenseless as a head, and was faced against someone much stronger than him, he was essentially dead cause there's no way to get out alive in that scenario

 

[Damage3245]

I disagree with the assumption that Dabura is only being compared to Super Perfect Cell.

One of the scans used says this:

His combat strength is similar to that of Cell in his complete form.

Which most best reflects Perfect Cell before he powered up further in my opinion.

 

[Omegabronic]

that scan is mistranslated, it actually says he became the strongest being

So this comfirms SPC is >> everyone in the Cell Saga or? Asking for the scalling chain

Agree with the thread on the rest, good job

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

So this comfirms SPC is >> everyone in the Cell Saga or? Asking for the scalling chain

Agree with the thread on the rest, good job

I think Gohan when he went all out during the Kamehameha clash is stronger (cf. the way he's talked about in the Buu saga compared to Cell/Dabura), otherwise yeah

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

This is mostly fine.
Although I agree with Damage regarding Immortality Type 2. To get that, you need to survive normally lethal injuries indefinitely, or at least for an extended period of time, which there's no real evidence that Guldo was going to do as far as I can tell.

Also super minor nitpick, but...

and his Final Flash should be "much higher"

This should be "far higher".

Otherwise, everything looks alright to me.

 

[BoastJr]

I agree with this thread wholeheartedly.

Seems straight forward. Dabura should be around SPC's ballpark.

Which most best reflects Perfect Cell before he powered up further in my opinion.

Why would it not also refer to SPC in this scenario ?

 

[Ednaxel2]

I disagree with the assumption that Dabura is only being compared to Super Perfect Cell.

One of the scans used says this:



Which most best reflects Perfect Cell before he powered up further in my opinion.

How? It’s just Cell in his complete form, which he still is in post-zenkai

Also super minor nitpick, but...

This should be "far higher".

Otherwise, everything looks alright to me.

“Varies, up to far higher with Galick Gun, even higher with Big Bang Attack, much higher with Final Flash” I’ve seen other profiles use “much higher” after “even higher” and it’d look a bit jarring if we just said far higher again, but that’s not too bad anyways

 

[Omegabronic]

“Varies, up to far higher with Galick Gun, even higher with Big Bang Attack, much higher with Final Flash” I’ve seen other profiles use “much higher” after “even higher” and it’d look a bit jarring if we just said far higher again, but that’s not too bad anyways

Final Explosion should be above even the Final Flash as it was Vegeta's last resort to try and take care of Buu

 

[Ednaxel2]

Final Explosion should be above even the Final Flash as it was Vegeta's last resort to try and take care of Buu

Every key post-1st HBTC will just be
"Vaires, up to far higher with charged attacks"
So Buu Saga will be just
"Vaires, up to far higher with charged attacks, even higher with Final Explosion"

 

[CRIMPSUMPSKI2]

ignore what I said y'all I was on the wrong tab LMAO

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I think Guldo's case is that his death was delayed; I wouldn't call it immortality.

But most of the rest looks pretty solid.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Apart from Guldo the rest should be accepted now

 

[Damage3245]

I agree with this thread wholeheartedly.

Seems straight forward. Dabura should be around SPC's ballpark.


Why would it not also refer to SPC in this scenario ?

Gohan was weaker than he was as a teen in the Buu Saga, and he could still fight Dabura evenly as a Super Saiyan 1. It makes more sense for Dabura to be Perfect Cell level.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Gohan was weaker than he was as a teen in the Buu Saga, and he could still fight Dabura evenly as a Super Saiyan 1. It makes more sense for Dabura to be Perfect Cell level.

Even if you don't believe this Perfect Cell could heavily damage SSJ Gohan while suppressed, so by that logic Dabura shouldn't even be PC level

 

[Tyranno223]

Regarding the Champa's justification, I believe this is just a reference to the fact Beerus is stated to possess a unmastered UI in Anime (I forget if it was from other material or the show itself) but the reasoning is still meh.