Dragon Ball 23rd BT Revision

[Antoniofer]

In short, I made a blog where it debunks the statement about the Papaya Island size and show few shots about the island area, not only it comes down to determinate if use the supposed size showed in the map, or used the showed in the chapters.

The conclusion could change the stats of EoDB Goku, Piccolo and Kami, also affecting the conclusion of this revision.

 

[Antvasima]

If nobody answers, you can probably temporarily highlight this thread.

 

[Dark649]

SomebodyData pointed out that its missing the entire northern part of the island, for me it seems reasonable.

 

[Antoniofer]

There several views of the coast of the island, in DBZ there's a better outlook of the entire island; also, when it explode, it came from the center, not from a corner.

 

[VenomElite]

Reasonable enough for me.

 

[SomebodyData]

Yes @Antonio, which can be explained if the island just has tombolos connecting it to "other isles". Which like I said, is pretty common.

But no matter what, that image cannot be taken seriously.

 

[Davidsteel1]

I'm sorry so what would this mean? Would the island be larger than its currently rated or smaller?

 

[SomebodyData]

The island would be smaller if accepted.

Venom and Dark confuse me tho, idk if they know what they're agreeing considering they both agree but Dark disproves the notion in his comment...

 

[SomebodyData]

I feel like I need to point out my comments on the blog, as Dark stated for one, the image is missing the entire northern part and etc points.

 

[Antoniofer]

I'm now confused too, are you trying to say that the "island" is actually some kind of peninsula? However, in like 3 scans show that is a complete island. Or that the Island where the tourtament took place isn't the one showed in the map, if not an itsmo/peninsula from it?

 

[SomebodyData]

I'm suggesting that Papaya Island is an archipelago actually, that was or possibly still is connected by a or multiple tombolos. It would explain the contradictions you're suggesting and is actually pretty common. Even Japan is an archipelago, despite often being called a singular island.

As for your scans, I already mentioned in your blog that they all have the same hook in every single image. That's, as weird as it is, is the same side every time. The only exception would be the Tien vs Kid Goku one, but that's because clouds are covering most of the view.

 

[Steel_Justice]

I do not believe that it is should lower the speed of the characters of the subsequent sagas (Saiyan Saga) only for this reason. I think the sub-relativistic speed in piccolo attacks is consistent.

 

[SomebodyData]

This isn't the thread for that Steel

 

[Steel_Justice]

ok, sorry

 

[AppleLord]

I'll go with Occam's Razor.

 

[Davidsteel1]

Uh what's Occam's Razor?

@SomebodyData thanks for clarification

 

[Antoniofer]

Welp, in case that the Papaya "Island" is actually an archipelago, and that the BT is located in one of its islands, that wouldn't change the size of the Tourtament island: both explosion and the beam happened in the same island.



Here is two shots where it appears that the island extend a little or that the tourtament isn't in the center. However, the beam reach the mountains that, in the explosion shot, are the limits of the island; and still located in the same island, far from being hundreds of kilometers away from Goku.

 

[SomebodyData]

I guess that's true, but we should be able to calculate a new size for the tournament "island" with ease through that.

Actually, there are mountains on the tournament island right? If not, it could be possible that those are mountains from the other isle, (Though Idk as I can't see if the mountains connect to the tournament island or not due to the scans not showing the floor.

 

[Antoniofer]

The Island has its own mountains, yes, ones bigger than other. @Matt commented that there were a calc that put the island diameter in 30 miles/48 kilometers, if that calc hasn't any problem, we can use it again, otherwise, we would need to recalc.

 

[RadicalMrR]

Fan's calc is the most accurate. It used a world map where Toriyama didnt have to account for man made structures, mountains, angles, etc.

If u didnt expressly tell someone those panels were of the same Island, its easy to to think they werent even of the same place since every other panel shows u something different.

In one of them, Goku and Tien were a couple of km in the air and u saw a border, another time u saw a city around them. The Island only has a city in the center for one panel but in the next the city goes through out the entire island. Piccolo's blast was only shown to affect the center of the island but it apparently wiped out the mountains in another panel.

 

[LordXcano]

Firstly, the horizon is already 4.7 km out at sea level, so seeing the edge of the island from 100+ m in the air isn't really indicative that the island is small. Secondly, I may be missing context, but none of the shots show the entire island? Just seeing an edge means that they could be close to the edge. Fighting on the beach doesn't make America small, just means I'm on the beach. Is there something to say that seeing the edge from where they're fighting would be a problem if it was actually gigantic?

 

[Antoniofer]

Normally, wouldn't be a problem if they just are in the edge, however, when Piccolo caused the explosion it was in the middle of the island, otherwise, the epicenter of the explosion would be located in a corner.

I'm not saying that the island is small, just that is smaller that was calculed previously, the island isn't definitively 1500 km wide, and +100 km tall mountains isn't an option.

 

[LordXcano]

Okay, then I see where you're coming from and I'm leaning towards agreeing with you on this.

Although if the island is this small, maybe the map and therefore the planet is proportionally small as well

 

[KoichiSamakibara]

Dragon Ball is quite weird with sizes and distances. It's most likely because Toriyama focuses more on the fights than he does the landscapes. We should stick to the size it is stated to be, otherwise it'll be Goku Vs Frieza all over again.

Every panel in that fight looked like they were figting on a different part of the planet. Why? Because it all looked the sime and Toriyama couldn't be bothered to remember the exact shape of the small islands that marks the Namekian surface. Only on special occasions a panel resembled the other.

Have you people never stopped to think of the reason why 90% of the fights in Z took place in Wastelands? Toriyama is known to be a master of cutting corners. At the same time that the people wouldn't be in danger, he wouldn't have to repeteadly draw buildings, cars or whatever. He much preferred drawing simple scenarios so that he could focus on the fights.

TL;DR: Toriyama's art is unreliable for pretty much any kind of feat, for the exception of some that are pretty obvious (like Piccolo's moon busting, a feat that is quite simple to understand, yet people keep denying the obvious. I'll adress this at a later date).

To calc speed feats in Dragon Ball, please refer to the guides where everything is far more solid than Toriyama's weird fight fetish in Z.