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Nothing in the intelligence section on Ayanokouji's page fits the bill for Extraordinary Genius. He's not even close.
Here is the definition of EG, refer back to this definition as you read this post:
I am an intelligence connoisseur and I will not stand for this!
Ayanokouji does not exceed the real world's upper limits in anything but his perfect memory, which is an ability, rather than intelligence. He is, at maximum, gifted, in a few areas. He can't create futuristic technology nor does he outperform supercomputers or anything like that. I will go through every part of his intelligence section.
This means nothing by itself so can be discarded. "Genius" as a word can mean a lot of things and is often used incredibly loosely. The wiki's definition of "genius" is also much higher than what it is typically used for, encompassing individuals who are practically at the peak of human intellect in specific fields.
This is impressive for a child but just being able to do complex math equations is not even close to peak human level's of knowledge or intelligence. Anyone gifted in modern mathematics would be capable of this much. Especially someone who was literally trained from birth to be capable of such things.
This isn't... impressive? At all? Like, this might be the least impressive thing here because that just means he is on the same level as an average 20-30 year old mentally.
This is due to his ability, which is perfect memory. This has nothing to do with intellect. It's a supernatural capability.
To elaborate, what I mean is that Perfect Memory is the capacity of Ayanokouji to subjectively determine what he stores permanently in his recollection. Thus, him being able to "absorb everything" is an extension of this, by nature.
Being gifted in chess is a hyper-specific area of human endeavor and being smart in chess does not equivalate to intelligence in other areas. This is perhaps best represented by real-world Grandmaster Hikaru Nakamura having an average IQ (102) despite being the #2 ranked player in the world.
What kinds of measurements do they even have access to and why are they relevant? Also, "trouble" doesn't really mean much. In the real world organizations have trouble measuring IQs over 160, but that doesn't really... mean anything in particular for that person's overall intelligence.
All of this is definitely impressive for a child but none of it is really anything more than gifted intellect (Real-world prodigies have been capable of similar things. Research also suggests children can learn up to 5 languages simultaneously), especially considering he is literally gifted with perfect memory. He's just exceptionally prodigious. This doesn't support E.G
Being knowledgeable in various fields isn't anything special. This is really vague as well. Again, not a supporting feat for Extraordinary Genius.
Another vague hype-statement that doesn't really mean anything in of itself.
An explanation of Photographic Memory, which is an ability, not an aspect of his intellect.
Impressive for a child, no doubt, but again, this is simply prodigious levels of intelligence, and is heavily, heavily aided by him having perfect memory. It's another gifted feat on its own. (It is possible for 4 year olds in the real world to do this very thing as well)
Further support for gifted combat intelligence. He is beating other gifted fighters and has a lot of knowledge in fighting, but none of this really transfers over to general intelligence ratings nor is any of this exceptionally impressive in the realm of martial arts. The average shounen protagonist has 10000x better feats than this lmao.
Overall, I went through the entire intelligence section and ended up with practically nothing that supports him having intelligence that surpasses the real-world upper limits of humanity, nor him being comparable to supercomputers in processing, or even having exceptional knowledge in multiple fields of science. Not to mention, the stuff he does have is HEAVILY, HEAVILY aided by him having a supernatural ability, that being PERFECT memory. That in of itself takes away from a lot of these feats even more.
Honestly, I am inclined to say Ayanokouji is just high into Gifted, maybe Genius at the absolute most. But Extraordinary Genius intellect is in another dimension from him entirely.
Even looking to the examples of EG listed on the Genius page, you can immediately tell Koji has NO PLACE next to these people. Seriously, putting t a guy who has "learned various fields" and "mastered languages at 4" in the same category as Aizen, Batman, Bulma, and Iron Man? LOL. I mean, that's just blatantly ridiculous, isn't it? Doesn't take a genius to see the HUGE difference between Koji and the others in that Extraordinary Genius category.
So, yeah, my suggestion is that he be downgraded to Genius.
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Here is the definition of EG, refer back to this definition as you read this post:
Extraordinary Genius: Individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits. At this level, many are capable of creating extremely advanced futuristic technology, executing complex strategies even under high pressure, outperforming supercomputers,[1] and even accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations. This is where super scientists of exceptional scientific knowledge begin to appear.
I am an intelligence connoisseur and I will not stand for this!
Ayanokouji does not exceed the real world's upper limits in anything but his perfect memory, which is an ability, rather than intelligence. He is, at maximum, gifted, in a few areas. He can't create futuristic technology nor does he outperform supercomputers or anything like that. I will go through every part of his intelligence section.
Was stated to be a genius among genius.
This means nothing by itself so can be discarded. "Genius" as a word can mean a lot of things and is often used incredibly loosely. The wiki's definition of "genius" is also much higher than what it is typically used for, encompassing individuals who are practically at the peak of human intellect in specific fields.
Did "Taylor Series" equations at a very young age in the White Room, Stating that it involved Theory of relativity studies and Number theory.
This is impressive for a child but just being able to do complex math equations is not even close to peak human level's of knowledge or intelligence. Anyone gifted in modern mathematics would be capable of this much. Especially someone who was literally trained from birth to be capable of such things.
By the age of junior high/high school, Would have a mental age of 20-30.
This isn't... impressive? At all? Like, this might be the least impressive thing here because that just means he is on the same level as an average 20-30 year old mentally.
It was stated that he can absorb everything that is given to him via his adaptability and he never reached his "plateau".
This is due to his ability, which is perfect memory. This has nothing to do with intellect. It's a supernatural capability.
To elaborate, what I mean is that Perfect Memory is the capacity of Ayanokouji to subjectively determine what he stores permanently in his recollection. Thus, him being able to "absorb everything" is an extension of this, by nature.
Better than kid Arisu Sakayanagi who won against alot of professional chess players.
Being gifted in chess is a hyper-specific area of human endeavor and being smart in chess does not equivalate to intelligence in other areas. This is perhaps best represented by real-world Grandmaster Hikaru Nakamura having an average IQ (102) despite being the #2 ranked player in the world.
The white room was stated to be having trouble measuring his knowledge.
What kinds of measurements do they even have access to and why are they relevant? Also, "trouble" doesn't really mean much. In the real world organizations have trouble measuring IQs over 160, but that doesn't really... mean anything in particular for that person's overall intelligence.
Is viewed like a god-like figure in the white room. The white room is a facility that aims to create geniuses. Ayanokouji was also stated to be giving trouble to the white room to gather new things for him to learn due to his learning speed. Mastered 5 writing systems at age 4. Was also capable of logical reasoning when he was 2 years old and Analyzed the pattern of a guessing game instantaneously and got a 100% which was a first.
All of this is definitely impressive for a child but none of it is really anything more than gifted intellect (Real-world prodigies have been capable of similar things. Research also suggests children can learn up to 5 languages simultaneously), especially considering he is literally gifted with perfect memory. He's just exceptionally prodigious. This doesn't support E.G
Learned various fields.
Being knowledgeable in various fields isn't anything special. This is really vague as well. Again, not a supporting feat for Extraordinary Genius.
It was stated to be impossible to reach Ayanokouji's level further showing the gap between him and the other children.
Another vague hype-statement that doesn't really mean anything in of itself.
Ayanokouji's Perfect Memory emcompasses his ability to recall information with complete accuracy and precision, including sensory details, instantaneously and effortlessly. His memories are passively retained indefinitely without degradation and can be selectively retrieved at will,
An explanation of Photographic Memory, which is an ability, not an aspect of his intellect.
Learned many martial arts as a 4 year old.
Impressive for a child, no doubt, but again, this is simply prodigious levels of intelligence, and is heavily, heavily aided by him having perfect memory. It's another gifted feat on its own. (It is possible for 4 year olds in the real world to do this very thing as well)
Quickly developed past Shiro completely in just back to back 3 matches and never lost to him again up until 9 years old, No matter which fighting style they used. ought adult fighters since there was no more white room students who were stated to be professional fighters in their areas. He has a perfect win record against professional fighters since he was a child. He is constantly developing a growth rate far higher than any other students. Defeated 6 fighters who were implied to be stronger than Tsukishiro who is an assassin and Shiba who is a white room instructor. Shiro said that for every brawl he had with Ayanokouji, He used to win a few first matches against Ayanokouji but Ayanokouji never lost afterwards, Despite both being trained in the same facility and continuously. It was noted by a young Arisu Sakayanagi that it is due to his "superior DNA", he adapted to the White Room training beta curriculum harsh training. Fought roughly more than 5000 battles in the span of 5 years.
Further support for gifted combat intelligence. He is beating other gifted fighters and has a lot of knowledge in fighting, but none of this really transfers over to general intelligence ratings nor is any of this exceptionally impressive in the realm of martial arts. The average shounen protagonist has 10000x better feats than this lmao.
Overall, I went through the entire intelligence section and ended up with practically nothing that supports him having intelligence that surpasses the real-world upper limits of humanity, nor him being comparable to supercomputers in processing, or even having exceptional knowledge in multiple fields of science. Not to mention, the stuff he does have is HEAVILY, HEAVILY aided by him having a supernatural ability, that being PERFECT memory. That in of itself takes away from a lot of these feats even more.
Honestly, I am inclined to say Ayanokouji is just high into Gifted, maybe Genius at the absolute most. But Extraordinary Genius intellect is in another dimension from him entirely.
Even looking to the examples of EG listed on the Genius page, you can immediately tell Koji has NO PLACE next to these people. Seriously, putting t a guy who has "learned various fields" and "mastered languages at 4" in the same category as Aizen, Batman, Bulma, and Iron Man? LOL. I mean, that's just blatantly ridiculous, isn't it? Doesn't take a genius to see the HUGE difference between Koji and the others in that Extraordinary Genius category.
So, yeah, my suggestion is that he be downgraded to Genius.
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