This is a pretty big exageration. There was never a statement of him mastering every field of martial arts, and the WR only references like, 4 that he was trained in, with him maybe having some knowledge in a few more. That's very far from "every"
After looking at more people who are considered an extraordinary geniuses (Senku from dr. Stone), I’d personally heavily lean towards a straight Genius rating now. Ayanokouji simply doesn’t compare to any Extraordinary Genius from any series I know of.
That is NOT at all proof that they know litteraly every martial art lmao. He's just saying that no matter what martial art he fights Ayano in, Ayano outskills him, not that they learn litteraly every martial art. By everything he just refers to the martial arts that they were trained in, not every single martial art. That is a REACH
@Worthless Shiro isn't refering to literally every martial art. He's just refering for the martial arts they learned in WR, which are only confirmed to be Boxing, Judo, Jeet Kune Do, Karate and maybe Aikido and Wing Chun. I think he should qualify to be a Genius combatant even if he did not master every martial art though (which would be more like E.G BIQ if you ask me).
thats what i wanna know, i stopped getting notis and thought its over but apperantly not
It seems pretty clear the majority has aligned with one tier more than the other, this should get wrapped fairly quickly I hope.
I wasn’t even trying to suggest that the statement implies "everything" in the way you're thinking, lol. While I admit that the word "everything" is strong, I was merely trying to say that he learned and mastered various martial arts beyond those mentioned. To suggest otherwise is almost laughable.
That is not at all what you were saying earlier. Exact quote here:
Yeah he probably did, but unless you can name specific martial arts, all we know is "he might've learned a few others", which isn't great support for Genius Battle IQ. We don't know what others he learned, how good he got at each of them, we don't even see most of them in his fights. We also don't know how many other martial arts he knows. Does he know 1 more that wasn't listed? 10 more? 100 more? It's to vague for us to really get anything from it unless you can name specific ones and how good he is at them
If "various" fields of martial had come to mind while I was writing that, I would have used it instead. I didn't even expect people to really pay attention to it honestly
There are no statements to confirm anything yes, but nonetheless it’s clear that he learned more than what was mentioned. Even stuff like handling guns, batons, knives, and various other weapons that can be used in certain scenarios for self-defense.
The page compares the Genius criteria to real world people, people who can achieve a certain thing realistically. I'd assume the same would apply to Combat IQ, just in Combat stuff instead of normal intelligence stuff. Why are we bringing up lolskill characters, and why are we comparing Koji to them instead of Real World people?
I am sorry. English is not my primary language; therefore, I happen to know only the meaning of superficial in ordinary conversations, which is something which "appears on the surface" and failed to apply it here, something which if I can remember, was described to me when learning the difference between arteries and veins.
I think this would be nitpicking.
I addressed it before. It was more of a problem of my incomplete vocabulary and the possibility of meanings regarding "superficial" as a word.
The thing is that White Room was officially bringing people who were "experts" and not just random professionals.
(Above)
Knowledge itself doesn't guarantee genius levels of knowledge.
I can get this if I only brought up DD, but Snake's CQC is anything but "lolskill"
Last I checked, Snake was on a higher plane of bullshittery in terms of skill, according to Chariot at least.
I mean, his overall skill level is, but I was talking merely to CQC and how it works. Which works very realistically.
I mean, there is a point; since the wiki does not have a proper measurement system to index skill, we need to use what other users decided to put on other profiles and see from there. I understand what you say, but it's difficult to not bring others of the same level and say "Hm, yeah, they're comparable"
This is not nitpicking. My point is that the statement on its own is not enough.
Source for experts?
I agree with you that Bachelor's aren't on the same level as PhDs. No offense taken lol. You're fine. But my point was that the word "professionals" on it's own doesn't mean PhD holder. That's what I was trying to demonstrate. Professional can be of any degree and the lowest being a bachelor so you'd need a concrete statement of them being at PhD level.
This is sports not sciences. Also can I get sources for this?
Not really. There are teachers who are not professors in this world. And the sources you provided only referred to them as professionals, not professors. Though you may have other sources.
Yes.
This is exactly my point. Your professor seems pretty knowledgeable, but that doesn't mean every professor is as knowledgeable. You need to prove the instructors of koji had the knowledge comparable to the top PhDs in the world.
I have provided these scans earlier in the thread but I'll link again. The instructors are referred to as "geniuses in all kinds of fields" and made mention of the coach training Olympic athletes.
To be fair now, If Ayano did have a statement saying he master ALL material arts, and is unbeatable by anyone in ALL martial artist, I can see him getting Genius rating in combat.
But since he don't have.
This is true. We are directly comparing Kiyotaka's skill with characters who are above his realm of tiers and wouldn't really consider most of the real-world things as difficult.
Combat IQ is highly dependent upon Bodily Kinesthetic, Kiyotaka in that is very cracked.
Now, I will not address two things here:
Not even comparison to Kiyotaka if we talk about pure knowledge. Kiyotaka would canonically possess more knowledge than experts, which would be the equivalent of just the anatomy part, not to mention Kiyotaka's knowledge in much more fields which includes multiple fields of sciences, politics, liberal arts, linguistics and economics.
Yeah, I can see him being high-end gifted in Battle IQ considering this feats.
im reporting you for derailingAll of that just for Elsa to see him once and instantly create perfect counters for every single ability
Ayanokouji when high tier gifted characters solo his entire verse on skill alone
My comments are VERY important and relevant to the discussion what are you talking aboutim reporting you for derailing
It is? Because it's obvious that a person will learn as much as THEY CAN learn, they cannot do it, it's a generalized statement rather than being averaged which is pretty clear.
I gave that in the same reply, also Huntsman did it as well.
I gave the idea of them bringing experts and Olympic level coaches, the equivalent of that would be college professors with expert experience. College professors themselves need masters/doctorate to even begin teaching in most countries, so I don't even see this as being debatable.
Volume 0. The basic thing which I would say is that if you find any feat which is performed at young age, then it should presumably be from Volume 0 mostly.
University-level subjects are taught by professors, so not really worth any deduction. You need to have masters' degree for being a professor, but PhDs are often recommended more for the job, not to mention that there are countries which have strict guidance for being university professors needing PhDs at the very least.
This isn't true really. My professor in his winning speech himself said that it was a very close contest. I can tell because I had to go abroad just to help him with getting his medicine, lol.
Reggor shows feats with scans as proof for why Ayanokouji's BIQ (which is different from combat prowess or skills) match an accepted EG in combat and your response is "looks high end gifted"
I don't mean to hurt the point of her character or anything, but her entire Intelligence section is full of just abilities.All of that just for Elsa to see him once and instantly create perfect counters for every single ability
Ayanokouji when high tier gifted characters solo his entire verse on skill alone
I will surely condense it into VSBW writable way and take help of Zetsu with it since he is more knowledgeable with making compiled references.
He din't no, none of what he said is even remotetelly EG in combat
No? I just said that I read all you written, and only see Gifted intelligence, I don't need to prove he is the same level as someone, since I just saying my opinion.
That's a random example
Huh? You never asked any of that.
This dude is mentioning "Gifted" and then writing in a last line about him being a Genius.
He's an IRL gifted martial artist.That's a random example
He also not Gifted in this Wiki?
Take any gifted IRL person, and do it, then.
Well, I was mostly joking when I said he is just Gifted lol.
Can you actually address them?
Not now, I gonna wait for staff to arrive, then I say It. No point in saying now.
combat skill based abilities are still counted as such, they are just skills which have been listed under the P&A section. It doesnt take away from the fact that they are able to perform such absurd skill feats
literally mediocre as **** in comparison to her, how is this even close to the same thing as hers?Meanwhile, Amasawa in Y2V6 also has intuition:
With her intuition, she can read moves of her opponents and develop resistance against them by fully examining their attack patterns (literally the same freaking thing).
Also, even if her opponent changes their attack patterns/rhythms, she can still resist them by her resistance where she predicts their attacks indefinitely.
I don't even want to mention how badly she falters against Kiyotaka's intuition, which is basically Amasawa's intuition ultra pro maxxed and allows him to predict a series of attacks much before they even happen.
her intuition is a bit..well a lot more broken
Even if all of her senses were cut off, she could still hit her targets vitals via intuition alone. She also dodged an attack on her intuition alone which blew up the entire room...all without exiting said room.
Which means she straight up can fight based on intuition alone
