Doomguy vs OG Bayonetta (DOOM vs Bayonetta)

[Vietthai96]

doesn't the fate hax only apply to the makyrs??

Tbh yeah, Doomguys fate hax is....kinda......limited, it just make him eventually destroy the Makyr race, after destroying that race, idk if he still has the fate hax or not. But well it is just me, other supporters could say different thing

 

[WeeklyBattles]

so she doesn't have it for now. ok

She does yes, its quite literally the entire plot of the third game

 

[Vietthai96]

Huh??, isn't the fate hax already accepted, because of the Left Eye thing???

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Huh??, isn't the fate hax already accepted, because of the Left Eye thing???

Not even that, the entire plot of bayo 3 is that bayonetta is a multiversal constant that transcends causality

 

[Vietthai96]

Well, then this match should be put onhold until Bayo has ability on her profile

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Well, then this match should be put onhold until Bayo has ability on her profile

the battle isn't against bayoneta trough?

 

[Vietthai96]

the battle isn't against bayoneta trough?

Lol, i thought people already put Bayo against Doomguys

 

[WeeklyBattles]

the battle isn't against bayoneta trough?

The ability would apply to loptr as well

 

[ShionAH]

Tbh yeah, Doomguys fate hax is....kinda......limited, it just make him eventually destroy the Makyr race, after destroying that race, idk if he still has the fate hax or not. But well it is just me, other supporters could say different thing

I mean theres the possibility that Doomguy also used it to defeat davoth.

 

[ShionAH]

Not really, Bayo has both acausality and the same kindof fatehax, only better

I cannot see it on the profile?

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

He does yes, if not on his profile currently then he will as its 100% a thing he has

Come back when that happens then.

 

[TokiNoOuja]

Mind give me the upgrade thread for Acausality type 4 DOOM??

 

[Stillwinston]

I was meaning to ask how does DG's fate manip work? Is it like Archie Sonic's or Ren Amamiya's? Cause from what's been said it might not even be combat applicable.

 

[ShionAH]

I was meaning to ask how does DG's fate manip work? Is it like Archie Sonic's or Ren Amamiya's? Cause from what's been said it might not even be combat applicable.

Basically no matter what he will defeat the Maykrs which means you cannot incap or kill him since that would make it so he wont be able to continue his journey. Plus it supports the Wog that states Doomslayer will always be stronger than his enemy

 

[Stillwinston]

Basically no matter what he will defeat the Maykrs which means you cannot incap or kill him since that would make it so he wont be able to continue his journey. Plus it supports the Wog that states Doomslayer will always be stronger than his enemy

Well could knocking him out not be a viable method as it'd merely delay the journey and not outright cease it by this trail of statement? But I won't argue about it if this is how the wiki treats it just asking

 

[ShionAH]

Well could knocking him out not be a viable method as it'd merely delay the journey and not outright cease it by this trail of statement? But I won't argue about it if this is how the wiki treats it just asking

Knocking out can work. Though with the stamina slayer has that wont be easy

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I guess knocking him out still counts as wincon because there are multiple verses with that same effect where the protagonist is knocked out, Archie sonic is what comes to mind

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Bayo can still win this then, no? I still don’t see resistance to time slow on Doomguys profile.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

this isn't against bayo my dudes

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

this isn't against bayo my dudes

I changed it because it was originally a stomp for bayo, I can change it back. I’ve said that.

 

[TokiNoOuja]

I was meaning to ask how does DG's fate manip work? Is it like Archie Sonic's or Ren Amamiya's? Cause from what's been said it might not even be combat applicable.

In a simple way, across Infinite Timelines/Possibilities,you was fated to get destroyed by him no matter what you do as its something that already set in the stone so yeah similiar to Archie Sonic

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Does anyone remember if I used OG bayo or Bayo 3?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Why does it seem like Doomguy has the same kind of fatehax as Guts?

As in, fatehax that doesnt actually do anything

 

[ShionAH]

Why does it seem like Doomguy has the same kind of fatehax as Guts?

As in, fatehax that doesnt actually do anything

Because you are angry Doomguy is actually winning and now salty about it. Weekly please it is supported by the WoG which I will also add to the profile.

 

[ThanatosX]

Yeah no, the Fate Manipulation is not combat applicable in a normal situation. I was one of those that agreed with the Fate Manipulation, but it being useful in a fight is a huge stretch. The CRT itself was also applied too quickly, with just one single staff agreement which is not enough for a revision that add Fate Hax and Acausality Type 4, two powerful abilities, to a profile.
It simply makes him able to eventually defeat the Maykrs, doesn't mean that he can't be defeated by an opponent that have nothing to do with the Maykrs themselves. And it just makes him able to "eventually" defeat them, which means that he can still be incapped or even killed.
So Bayonetta either stomps or takes the match if Doomguy doesn't have any wincon. At worst Davoth might be a more interesting opponent since he actually has some hax.

 

[ShionAH]

It simply makes him able to eventually defeat the Maykrs, doesn't mean that he can't be defeated by an opponent that have nothing to do with the Maykrs themselves.

Wrong because if Doomguy is defeated he wont be able to continue his journey. WoG also supports this by saying it makes him stronger than his opponent no matter what.

This can be on hold until Doomguys revisions end though.

 

[ThanatosX]

Wrong because if Doomguy is defeated he wont be able to continue his journey.

Is there even any indications that suggest this or are all of this assumptions? Also, in his Low 1-C key he already defeated the Kahn Maykr, so there isn't even any "journey" that he needs to continue at that point.
All this Fate Hax seems to be based on a lot of assumptions, if I knew that this was what you meant with it than I would have disagreed with it.

WoG also supports this by saying it makes him stronger than his opponent no matter what.

This have nothing to do with Fate Hax. Not only it is NLF to say that he is always stronger than his opponent (Tier 0 Doomguy when?) but this is more about RE than anything else.

 

[ShionAH]

Is there even any indications that suggest this or are all of this assumptions? Also, in his Low 1-C key he already defeated the Kahn Maykr, so there isn't even any "journey" that he needs to continue at that point.

Thats a good point tbh. I just forgot to write minus Fate hax

This have nothing to do with Fate Hax. Not only it is NLF to say that he is always stronger than his opponent (Tier 0 Doomguy when?) but this is more about RE than anything else.

It is NLF to assume he is stronger than anyone in fiction but its not NLF to think this means he has his own fate hax that also makes him stronger

Anyways like I said Doomguy might get upgraded to 6D so we shall wait

 

[ThanatosX]

Anyways like I said Doomguy might get upgraded to 6D so we shall wait

That's fair, this can be put on hold until all the revisions are over.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Anyways like I said Doomguy might get upgraded to 6D so we shall wait

Bayo too

 

[ShionAH]

Bayo too

Weekly are you trying to show off or smth? I didnt even ask

 

[ShionAH]

That's fair, this can be put on hold until all the revisions are over.

Now his fate hax is stronger and Doomguy has Immortality 8 so I was right and have to feed my ego a bit

 

[ThanatosX]

Now his fate hax is stronger and Doomguy has Immortality 8 so I was right and have to feed my ego a bit

First of all, where was that accepted? Doomguy is really getting wanked to insane degree...
Second, this doesn't change anything to the result of the fight. Fate Manipulation still doesn't prevent incap, nor does it makes him able to instantly come back. Considering that he doesn't even have any kind of Regeneration, if his body, soul or anything else gets destroyed he would still be incapable of fighting.
So, in the end, Bayonetta still takes this. If you believe this isn't a stomp, then my vote goes to her.

 

[Robo432343]

First of all, where was that accepted? Doomguy is really getting wanked to insane degree...
Second, this doesn't change anything to the result of the fight. Fate Manipulation still doesn't prevent incap, nor does it makes him able to instantly come back. Considering that he doesn't even have any kind of Regeneration, if his body, soul or anything else gets destroyed he would still be incapable of fighting.
So, in the end, Bayonetta still takes this. If you believe this isn't a stomp, then my vote goes to her.

that crt was so sus

https://vsbattles.com/threads/gigantic-doom-revision-bam-bam-bam.154561/

 

[ShionAH]

First of all, where was that accepted? Doomguy is really getting wanked to insane degree...

Cope about it

Second, this doesn't change anything to the result of the fight. Fate Manipulation still doesn't prevent incap, nor does it makes him able to instantly come back. Considering that he doesn't even have any kind of Regeneration, if his body, soul or anything else gets destroyed he would still be incapable of fighting.
So, in the end, Bayonetta still takes this. If you believe this isn't a stomp, then my vote goes to her.

If you still think this Fate manipulation is not useable in combat, you are factually wrong. Plus now Doomguy also has insane AD because of his Davoth and Maykr fights. Right now Bayonetta cannot do anything to doomguy so doomguy takes the win rather easily since Bayonetta is also losing her Tier 1 AP as far as I know

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If you still think this Fate manipulation is not useable in combat, you are factually wrong. Plus now Doomguy also has insane AD because of his Davoth and Maykr fights. Right now Bayonetta cannot do anything to doomguy so doomguy takes the win rather easily since Bayonetta is also losing her Tier 1 AP as far as I know

Hence why we're waiting for their revisions to be concluded before continuing this match, because Bayo is in the middle of being upgraded to 6-D and getting fatehax that blows doomguy's out of the water

 

[ShionAH]

Hence why we're waiting for their revisions to be concluded before continuing this match, because Bayo is in the middle of being upgraded to 6-D and getting fatehax that blows doomguy's out of the water

She is also getting downgraded to 2-A, plus I can actually argue Doomguys AD might let him get 6D AP in this fight

 

[ThanatosX]

If you still think this Fate manipulation is not useable in combat, you are factually wrong. Plus now Doomguy also has insane AD because of his Davoth and Maykr fights. Right now Bayonetta cannot do anything to doomguy so doomguy takes the win rather easily since Bayonetta is also losing her Tier 1 AP as far as I know

If Fate Manipulation is combat applicable than tell me, how does it helps him to come back after his body is completely destroyed, his soul is broken, he is sealed away, ecc... Tell me one istance in which Doomguy came back after being killed, after his body was destroyed or something like that. Again, the Fate Manipulation works by "eventually" making him come back, he doesn't return instantly, and it doesn't makes sense to say that he does because, again, he never did. If I am factually wrong then please, point me a single istance in which this Fate Manipulation was used. Because I played all the games, and there is none that I remember.
And again, Immortality by itself isn't useful without a Regeneration to back it up. He doesn't have any, which means that if his body is destroyed he doesn't have any way to come back.
AD is a fair argument, but considering that it's just for AP it does not really help him.
And the Bayonetta downgrade ended some days ago and was rejected. So that isn't an argument anymore.
If you believe that Doomguy takes it than you can count that as a vote in his favor, my vote for Bayonetta still stands.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

She is also getting downgraded to 2-A, plus I can actually argue Doomguys AD might let him get 6D AP in this fight

She isnt, that thread was concluded yesterday with the downgrade being found wrong

 

[ShionAH]

If Fate Manipulation is combat applicable than tell me, how does it helps him to come back after his body is completely destroyed, his soul is broken, he is sealed away, ecc... Tell me one istance in which Doomguy came back after being killed, after his body was destroyed or something like that. Again, the Fate Manipulation works by "eventually" making him come back, he doesn't return instantly, and it doesn't makes sense to say that he does because, again, he never did. If I am actually wrong then please, point me a single istance in which this Fate Manipulation was used. Because I played all the games, and there is none that I remember.

The fate manipulation is literally the reason Doomguy won against the demons and never lost a fight. He was destined to meet and defeat the Icon, he was destined to being doom to the demon kind. As long as demons exist Doomslayer will also exist.

And again, Immortality by itself isn't useful without a Regeneration to bakc it up. He doesn't have any, which means that if his body is destroyed he doesn't have any way to come back.
AD is a fair argument, but considering that it's just for AP it does not really help him.

Its also for Speed

If you believe that Doomguy takes it than you can count that as a vote in his favor, my vote for Bayonetta still stands.

We are not even doing thread rn dumbass bayonetta is getting revision

She isnt, that thread was concluded yesterday with the downgrade being found wrong

Can I get the link? I only remember you trying to abuse the voting system